Bowl game player review

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by bah007

14 carries for 49 yards. Not terrible considering he only got it straight up the gut against a very good defense.

Not true, they worked him on the outside more this game than they had all season. Also, that one run that almost resulted in a safety took a nice chunk of yardage off his total.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by bah007

That triple option had no chance against Iowa. They are just too well coached. They have no egos. Nobody tries to be a hero, they just go out there and do their job. Plus, they have tons of guys on that defense that are going to be in the NFL. Most of them will be lower draft picks, but they are still talented.

Adrian Clayborn (DE) Jr
Pat Angerer (MLB) Sr
A.J. Edds (OLB) Sr
Amari Spievey (CB) Jr
Tyler Sash (S) So
Karl Klug (DT) Jr

All those guys will be in the NFL, maybe even a few others.

TE Tony Moeaki helped his draft stock early 3rd late 2nd.

• excellent hands
• excellent inline blocker
• excellent route runner
• ability to run after catch

[Ole Miss Texan]

I was impressed with Dwyer. He looked explosive and powerful. Caught the ball out of the backfield and had a nice gain. The one play almost for a safety was a dumb move. Probably just trying to make a play, something, anything happen to spark some energy into the team. I doubt he tries that in the pros. I think Dwyer would be a good fit on this team.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

I was impressed with Dwyer. He looked explosive and powerful. Caught the ball out of the backfield and had a nice gain. The one play almost for a safety was a dumb move. Probably just trying to make a play, something, anything happen to spark some energy into the team. I doubt he tries that in the pros. I think Dwyer would be a good fit on this team.

IDK, I did not see anything in first half and we have enough guys that play only 1/2 of game. I am even more solidly in Gerhart's camp. He cranked it up evrey game I watched. Even if he lost yards due to a stupid move, a stupid move works the same in NFL.

[nero THE zero]

Pretty silly to watch one half of a game of his, in which the entire offense played poorly, and assume that he "play[s] only 1/2 of [the] game."

When all's said and done he'll be no worse than the third back taken in this draft and the Texans would be so lucky as to have him on their team.

[bah007]

Originally Posted by beerlover

TE Tony Moeaki helped his draft stock early 3rd late 2nd.

• excellent hands
• excellent inline blocker
• excellent route runner
• ability to run after catch

I was only listing the defensive players. I've always been a big fan of Moeaki. He can't seem to stay on the field an entire year because of injuries but when he is on, he is a complete player.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

Pretty silly to watch one half of a game of his, in which the entire offense played poorly, and assume that he "play[s] only 1/2 of [the] game."

When all's said and done he'll be no worse than the third back taken in this draft and the Texans would be so lucky as to have him on their team.

Explain how that is silly? I watched him do basically nothing for 2 quarters. The Texans were blasted more than once for not playing a full game. His final stats were 49 yards with avg about 3.5. Don't we already have backs doing that. I was pushing him earlier this season but he needed to come up big in the bowl and did not. I hope you are correct that he is third back(or better) taken as that should push a need player to us regardless of the round.

[JWarren14]

Anybody like Stanzi, he is a Junior, but I have watched a few Iowa games and he runs the boot very well and makes big plays off play action which is how our offense operates.

He is a bit turnover prone, but that's coachable right? Seems to have a pretty quick release. It will be interesting how he does next year. I wouldn't mind taking him if he is there in the mid to late rounds next year.

Thoughts?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by badboy

Explain how that is silly? I watched him do basically nothing for 2 quarters. The Texans were blasted more than once for not playing a full game. His final stats were 49 yards with avg about 3.5. Don't we already have backs doing that. I was pushing him earlier this season but he needed to come up big in the bowl and did not. I hope you are correct that he is third back(or better) taken as that should push a need player to us regardless of the round.

We dont have any back that has the talent of Dwyer. Its silly to judge him on one half a game vs a good D that is geared up to stop him. He is one of those rare big backs that can bust one for a long TD at anytime. Just becuase he didnt do it in one half of a single game is no reason to ignore the fact that he has done it consistantly throughout his college career. He reminds me alot of Jerome Bettis at ND.

I either want him in the first or LeGarrette Blount 6-0, 245 4.60 Oregon in the 3rd or 4th who reminds me alot of Steven Jackson. We need a big guy that can not only get the tough yards but is capable of busting long runs after breaking tackles if we are going to continue to run the ZB scheme.

I also want another quality 3rd down type back that can take it to the house on any given play. I dont want to go into next season HOPING Slaton turns it around. Give me C.J. Spiller in the first, Jahvid Best in the 2nd.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Ok ... I know nothing about him but Levi Brown has size and an arm .

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by badboy

Explain how that is silly? I watched him do basically nothing for 2 quarters. The Texans were blasted more than once for not playing a full game. His final stats were 49 yards with avg about 3.5. Don't we already have backs doing that. I was pushing him earlier this season but he needed to come up big in the bowl and did not. I hope you are correct that he is third back(or better) taken as that should push a need player to us regardless of the round.

It's silly because you're making an assumption based on a ridiculously small sample size in which there were other hindrances that you're not considering (lack of attempts, lack of blocking, poor scheming, etc.)

It's like watching a Cardinals' game in which Albert Pujols goes 0-4 and deciding that he's an overhyped scrub. Nonsensical.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by mussop

We dont have any back that has the talent of Dwyer. Its silly to judge him on one half a game vs a good D that is geared up to stop him. He is one of those rare big backs that can bust one for a long TD at anytime. Just becuase he didnt do it in one half of a single game is no reason to ignore the fact that he has done it consistantly throughout his college career. He reminds me alot of Jerome Bettis at ND.

I either want him in the first or LeGarrette Blount 6-0, 245 4.60 Oregon in the 3rd or 4th who reminds me alot of Steven Jackson. We need a big guy that can not only get the tough yards but is capable of busting long runs after breaking tackles if we are going to continue to run the ZB scheme.

I also want another quality 3rd down type back that can take it to the house on any given play. I dont want to go into next season HOPING Slaton turns it around. Give me C.J. Spiller in the first, Jahvid Best in the 2nd.

The fact that we do not have a big back is why I was watching him. He had 49 yards and if he had gotten it on one play, okay, whoopie. We need more than that. I defended him on an earlier thread as I was mocking him above Gerhart. I even told RMartin65 who is a big Gerhart fan to check out Dwyer who had a higher avg per attempt. If Colt McCoy lost the Heisman due to lack of a great game against Nebraska, why should I not move Dwyer down due to a poor Bowl game? Not saying he will not be drafted high, just not by Texans.
I agree with you on Slaton, but good luck on convincing Smithiac to draft two backs.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

It's silly because you're making an assumption based on a ridiculously small sample size in which there were other hindrances that you're not considering (lack of attempts, lack of blocking, poor scheming, etc.)

It's like watching a Cardinals' game in which Albert Pujols goes 0-4 and deciding that he's an overhyped scrub. Nonsensical.

Your example would make more sense if the game Pujols did so poorly in was his last college game before going pro. In your example, we know what his professional history is, but you can not extrapolate that with Dwyer who has no NFL history. To re-state, I am not saying Dwyer will not make in the NFL. He showed me nothing in Bowl game where the creme should rise. I would rather take a risk on a back that had a very good Bowl game and a great season.

[rmartin65]

Guys, Dwyer is over-rated. I wrote a post a month back explaining my views, the triple option is a power backs dream. That GT offense provides so many opportunities for its runners, its unbelievable. He will get drafted because of his measurable, but in my opinion, he is a 3rd round talent, after backs like Gerhart, Spiller and Matthews.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by badboy

Your example would make more sense if the game Pujols did so poorly in was his last college game before going pro. In your example, we know what his professional history is, but you can not extrapolate that with Dwyer who has no NFL history. To re-state, I am not saying Dwyer will not make in the NFL. He showed me nothing in Bowl game where the creme should rise. I would rather take a risk on a back that had a very good Bowl game and a great season.

My analogy was to show you how sample size is important in evaluation. Your inability to recognize that is indicative as to how you can base your opinion of a player off of one half of football. I don't think anymore needs to be said.

[nero THE zero]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Guys, Dwyer is over-rated. I wrote a post a month back explaining my views, the triple option is a power backs dream. That GT offense provides so many opportunities for its runners, its unbelievable. He will get drafted because of his measurable, but in my opinion, he is a 3rd round talent, after backs like Gerhart, Spiller and Matthews.

He averaged 5.3 YPC and scored 9TD in a pro-style offense (as a back-up) his freshman year.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Cause I had to put it somewhere .

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