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Old 06-09-2005   #21
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I don't see a whole lot of competition at the TE spot. With Joppru looking at yet another season on IR it will likely be Bruener, Miller, and Rivers at TE. Depending on the OLine play Bruener will likely be the starter yet again.
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Old 06-09-2005   #22
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Tony Hollings had an outstanding but very mercurial career as a college RB who got a big recommendation from his head coach, formerly an NFL coach whose opinion Cass apparently held in very high regard. On the basis of that recommendation and Hollings's 4 game career ...
Hollings was also rated extremely highly by scouting services such as Blestoe. Casserly wasn't just relying on Chan Gailey's recommendation.

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The Davis pick was probably more dumb luck that an astute choice because you have to ask yourself why Cass, or some other team ffor that matter, did not pick DD before the 4th round had they had any idea he would turn out this successful.
DD had been rated higher but slipped due to his 4.62 40 time at the combine--something that happens to RB's every year. Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.
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Also, DDavis was a guy they were able to look at during the Senior Bowl and they really liked his WORK ETHIC. DDavis wasn't just a choice they made, he was drafted because of their familiarity with him and their research on him.
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Hollings was also rated extremely highly by scouting services such as Blestoe. Casserly wasn't just relying on Chan Gailey's recommendation.



DD had been rated higher but slipped due to his 4.62 40 time at the combine--something that happens to RB's every year. Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.

True - I remember hearing Hollings was rated pretty high coming out by some teams, but I dont recall hearing much about it later. I remember that draft - I was at the Park for the draft special. Alot of guys and some teams questioned the pick. Honestly in hindsight I felt like the other poster - it was not one of Casserley's best choices in all the drafts thus far. Honestly a guy with that many ??? we should have waited on and picked up in late rounds when we had extra and supllimental picks to burn. He reached to get him and got burned because of it. IMO Hollings has a whole lot to prove this year if he intends to stay on the Texans.

My picks for the RB Depth Chart

Davis
Hollings/Morency [switch back and forth this year]

Norris
Wells [Backup]


I agree - it will be interesting to see the end of the year depth chart
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Mike Shanahan told Casserly right after the draft that he got a great RB.
And Shanahan and everyone else participating in making draft picks had the opportunity to draft Davis at anytime in the Draft prior to Cass when he picked him in the 4th round. Talk is cheap.
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I wonder if they're basing it on the houstontexans.com depth chart, which still has Jamie Sharper and Aaron Glenn listed.
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The depth chart listed is the 2004 end of year depth chart. People should not put any stock into pre-camp depth charts, there is a reason they don't list a current one in June.
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And Shanahan and everyone else participating in making draft picks had the opportunity to draft Davis at anytime in the Draft prior to Cass when he picked him in the 4th round. Talk is cheap.

Talk may be cheap but it has rushed for back to back 1000 yard seasons and won ROTY, hope we can find some more talk. I'll bet a whole lot of the teams that passed on DD would do things differently now.
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Talk may be cheap but it has rushed for back to back 1000 yard seasons and won ROTY, hope we can find some more talk. I'll bet a whole lot of the teams that passed on DD would do things differently now.
Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.
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Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.
There is no necessary logic to your assertion. Why would a GM who thinks a player will fall to the 6th take him in the 2nd even if he thinks he will play like a 2nd round pick?--it is easy to argue a smart one should wait until the 4th, 5th or even 6th round to get the best value. There is a gambling element to the draft. IMO DD falls into a category like Ragone--they didn't really set out to get him (just signed Mack) but once he was there in the 4th they said ooh we have him graded as a better player than that he is a great value there let's take him.
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Why would a GM who thinks a player will fall to the 6th take him in the 2nd even if he thinks he will play like a 2nd round pick?
Sorry, but I can't buy into your premis which appears to be that a single GM's judgement of player talent could be so superior to his 31 competitors that he correctly perceives 2nd round value in a certain player while all others don't have that player rated better than a 5th rounder. Or that the GM might be so foolish/arrogant to think his skills at identifying talent was that superior to competition.
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Actually it happens like that all the time. Players grade out with superior play on the field but get knocked down in the draft pecking order due to speed or size or off field issues since each flaw represents a risk of sorts translating to the NFL level. Dom fell into the second day due to his 4.6 40's and fragile past. He left the SEC as one of the all time great kick returners and played quite well when on the field...so his field production wasn't his draft stock downfall.
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Talk is still cheap, hindsight is still 20/20, and my point is still valid - nobody,
including Cass, saw the full potential that Davis had else he would not have remained on the Board when the first day of that years draft concluded.
The other teams may have seen potential but were scared off by a slow 40 time, look at Clarett, if he blows up they'll be having the same things written about him.
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He left the SEC as one of the all time great kick returners and played quite well when on the field...so his field production wasn't his draft stock downfall.
Not to mention an incredible Sugar Bowl performance as a junior that looks exactly like the DD the Texans got.

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Sorry, but I can't buy into your premis which appears to be that a single GM's judgement of player talent could be so superior to his 31 competitors that he correctly perceives 2nd round value in a certain player while all others don't have that player rated better than a 5th rounder. Or that the GM might be so foolish/arrogant to think his skills at identifying talent was that superior to competition.
Nuns as much as you follow the draft, I am surprised that you making such a statement. Every single year some guy goes in the 2nd or 3rd that Kipper, Ourlads, etc along with much of the NFL all think is barely draftable. Many GMs are that confident or even arrogant in their evaluations. If a GM goes against the grain and is right then he will successful. If he makes too many mistakes he will be pounding the pavement.
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There is a gambling element to the draft. IMO DD falls into a category like Ragone--they didn't really set out to get him (just signed Mack) but once he was there in the 4th they said ooh we have him graded as a better player than that he is a great value there let's take him.
Now I know who to turn to get the inside scoop regarding the Texans war room operations and draft rational
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hollings will be fourth on the depth chart but they will put him in and run screens to him
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The depth chart listed is the 2004 end of year depth chart. People should not put any stock into pre-camp depth charts, there is a reason they don't list a current one in June.
True, but now they have an article up on the main page listing him as 3rd behind DD and Wells and ahead of Morency. Of course that could change in training camp. Interesting though that they have a article dedicated to him up--don't think they would do that if he really was on the chopping block.
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I hope he doesn't tear his ACL falling off the bench.
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