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Old 11-12-2009   #61
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I've got to agree with TexasSeminole, that if we're going after a FS in the 1st round then I'd rather have Morgan Burnett. IMO he's 2nd only to Berry amongst FS. Earl Thomas will probably stay and play another year at UT but if he does decide to go pro next year then he'd be my 3rd choice behind Berry and Burnett. I don't see Taylor Mays as having the ball skills or coverage skills to be a good FS in the NFL, I think he'll be a much better SS in a traditional scheme. I'd then go after Mike Johnson-OG in the 2nd round, I think he fits our ZBS much better than Iupati. Someone else mentioned Boo Robinson or Dan Williams in the 3rd round, Robinson will probably be gone by the time we pick in the 3rd but Dan Williams-DT in the 3rd round isn't a bad idea.

1. Morgan Burnett-FS
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I could live with that easy.
Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?
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I've got to agree with TexasSeminole, that if we're going after a FS in the 1st round then I'd rather have Morgan Burnett. IMO he's 2nd only to Berry amongst FS. Earl Thomas will probably stay and play another year at UT but if he does decide to go pro next year then he'd be my 3rd choice behind Berry and Burnett. I don't see Taylor Mays as having the ball skills or coverage skills to be a good FS in the NFL, I think he'll be a much better SS in a traditional scheme. I'd then go after Mike Johnson-OG in the 2nd round, I think he fits our ZBS much better than Iupati. Someone else mentioned Boo Robinson or Dan Williams in the 3rd round, Robinson will probably be gone by the time we pick in the 3rd but Dan Williams-DT in the 3rd round isn't a bad idea.

1. Morgan Burnett-FS
2. Mike Johnson-OG
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I could live with that easy.
Why Mike Johnson? What about his feet and skill set? he is rated as maybe dropping to 3rd.
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Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?
You never know. I see this draft of safeties a bit like the 2007 draft. Remember that crop of safeties?

LaRon Landry was the 6th overall pick.

Michael Griffin was taken at 19.

Reggie Nelson was taken 21st.

Brandon Meriweather was taken at 24.

The theme here was that there was 1 big time safety and a few others that were good players and all pretty equally ranked.

I see Berry as the big time prospect with Mays, Burnett, and Thomas all bunched together.

Obviously it depends on who else is available in the draft at all positions, but it isn't too hard to believe that one of them would be available in the 20s.

It also depends on what teams want. Mays is a big hitting SS, Thomas is a rangy cover safety, Burnett is somewhere in the middle. The Texans don't need Mays enough to justify drafting him in the 1st, we have Pollard. We could really use either Thomas or Burnett.

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You are absolutely correct, Iupati would not be a raging success in the ZBS. However, I dont think the ZBS lasts past this season. It is not doing anything for the run game at all. The players would be a problem though. Brown would fit, after a training camp. I think Winston could do it as well. Caldwell is a little small, but maybe he could do it. Then we would have Iupati. So we still lack a center or a guard, wherever Caldwell does not go. I dont know alot about the other lineman on the team, what do you think?
I agree with Beerlover. The ZBS is for moving the ball down the field with TEs, slot WR and RB as Slaton did last year. It can be successful but the one missing ingredient is a RB that keeps the coverage locked close to scrimmage. You get a power back that can create his own holes. Our line as weak as it is does create some room, our backs just can't break free. A 2 back system can be used to create confusion, our bigger backs just never do the job. A Gerhart or Jonathan Dwyer (two mocks have us drafting him around #22) would really help the offense as big strong types that can catch the ball.
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Walters has updated mock today showing THomas going at #18 and Burnett at # 20 to Texans. I don't see Houston selecting that low. Do you believe Burnett will drop to 22-25?
I really like this draft for us with Burnett, Oghobaase, and Gerhart in the first 3 rounds.

edit: Although I do not know much about Oghobaase...lol
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You never know. I see this draft of safeties a bit like the 2007 draft. Remember that crop of safeties?

LaRon Landry was the 6th overall pick.

Michael Griffin was taken at 19.

Reggie Nelson was taken 21st.

Brandon Meriweather was taken at 24.

The theme here was that there was 1 big time safety and a few others that were good players and all pretty equally ranked.

I see Berry as the big time prospect with Mays, Burnett, and Thomas all bunched together.

Obviously it depends on who else is available in the draft at all positions, but it isn't too hard to believe that one of them would be available in the 20s.

It also depends on what teams want. Mays is a big hitting SS, Thomas is a rangy cover safety, Burnett is somewhere in the middle. The Texans don't need Mays enough to justify drafting him in the 1st, we have Pollard. We could really use either Thomas or Burnett.
Historically with Kubes, safety has not had a high priority and he usually selects big hitters with little coverage ability the old 1 & 2 safety not SS and free. When creating a mock, I usually prioritize what I think is best for team. I often choose to ignore what Kubes has done or probably will do. I am saying a Power back should be selected in top 2 rounds but if one is even selected, I'll be surprised.
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I really like this draft for us with Burnett, Oghobaase, and Gerhart in the first 3 rounds.

edit: Although I do not know much about Oghobaase...lol
A most excellent draft IF DR is back at peak performance or you are convinced Quin will be a starter. I don't see much avaliable in 4th round at CB. Uh, oh!
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When do we need to put the tag on Dunta again?
Or is there a date we need to come to term on a new contract if we decide to do that?
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A most excellent draft IF DR is back at peak performance or you are convinced Quin will be a starter. I don't see much avaliable in 4th round at CB. Uh, oh!
I know, but Haden will not fall to us and I do not see another cb in the first round. Of course Burnett might not come out. At this point though, and if DR stays around, this would not be a bad draft...but not the best.
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When do we need to put the tag on Dunta again?
Or is there a date we need to come to term on a new contract if we decide to do that?
Some disagreement on that. As 2010 seems to be an uncapped year, it may effect the tag dates. I was hoping we would use that advantage to go after Asomugha in a trade. Dunta was doing ok until Colts. I expect him to do better against Tenn but for me the 2nd Colt game is what I need to see much improvement. He need to have a couple INTs or at least one that he takes for 6. He is a year older and while apparently over the injury not doing so great. Ideal scenario for me would be a trade picking up another 2nd round.
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I know, but Haden will not fall to us and I do not see another cb in the first round. Of course Burnett might not come out. At this point though, and if DR stays around, this would not be a bad draft...but not the best.
I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.
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Why?
Why not sign DR?

More than likely one draft woundn't fill all of our needs. DR and Reeves are fine as of now but of course we can always upgrade when needed. However, FS, DT, RB, and OL positions are higher needs in upgrading than CB . We have two CB starters right now and they are more than NFL average IMO. Why draft CB when we have other positions that needs more attention? To me it is more of priority issue. For NT, I would prefer experienced NFL player from FA who can give us an impact. This is how I view 2010 draft badboy.

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I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.
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I am working on new mock with us @ #24. Looking at Kyle Wilson CB/FS in 2nd and hoping Gerhart there in 3rd (I'll explain my thinking if I do). A dt in 4th with a guard/center in 5th. First round has me stumped as I don't see Haden falling to us and agree Burnett may stay. He is a redshirt soph and with a first round prediction he should jump to NFL. I just keep hoping Wilson keeps getting better.
Burnett is a junior, not a redshirt sopohmore. Doubt he stays.
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Burnett is a junior, not a redshirt sopohmore. Doubt he stays.
My info had him as junior but last week an article I read had him as red shirt sophomore. Thought that was odd but was too tied up to research more. Thanks for the info. He is a big guy & 40 seems to be around 4.65.
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Why not sign DR?

More than likely one draft woundn't fill all of our needs. DR and Reeves are fine as of now but of course we can always upgrade when needed. However, FS, DT, RB, and OL positions are higher needs in upgrading than CB . We have two CB starters right now and they are more than NFL average IMO. Why draft CB when we have other positions that needs more attention? To me it is more of priority issue. For NT, I would prefer experienced NFL player from FA who can give us an impact. This is how I view 2010 draft badboy.

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I had typed a nice long response and somehow deleted it. I am not impressed with Dunta as much as you. He has not had an above average year imo and needs to run out the year in a "shut down" mode to win me. If he is tagged 2010 it will be apprx $13million. So far he has not earned the $10. I like Quin but the Bennett bust is a concern. There are not too many college corners who will step in as a starter in this draft and we will be drafting pretty low. Actually I think one draft can fill all our needs.

FS: I have been after a FS and wanted Jenkins last year. However, Wilson has seemingly healed and has been playing fairly well combined with Pollard.
DT:Historically, I wanted a Raji type but Bush has done well shutting down the run with "lighter" tackles. Okoye is not going anywhere if he continues to bloom.
RB: We agree but Smith has not signed a power back and he did not even use a 7th last year. I hope he see the light this year.

OL: is doing much better and Caldwell is support to start RG now. Myers is not going anywhere soon as he understands the calls needed to be made. I draft two players but later rounds.
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Yeah but he might play another year at UT. He is project now higher than #24 where I think Texans are head now. Of course I also have Houston winning out.
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I had typed a nice long response and somehow deleted it. I am not impressed with Dunta as much as you. He has not had an above average year imo and needs to run out the year in a "shut down" mode to win me. If he is tagged 2010 it will be apprx $13million. So far he has not earned the $10. I like Quin but the Bennett bust is a concern. There are not too many college corners who will step in as a starter in this draft and we will be drafting pretty low. Actually I think one draft can fill all our needs.

FS: I have been after a FS and wanted Jenkins last year. However, Wilson has seemingly healed and has been playing fairly well combined with Pollard.
DT:Historically, I wanted a Raji type but Bush has done well shutting down the run with "lighter" tackles. Okoye is not going anywhere if he continues to bloom.
RB: We agree but Smith has not signed a power back and he did not even use a 7th last year. I hope he see the light this year.

OL: is doing much better and Caldwell is support to start RG now. Myers is not going anywhere soon as he understands the calls needed to be made. I draft two players but later rounds.
FS: Yes Wilson is playing better. Is Pollard making FS position look better or Wilson making SS position look better? Before Pollard, how did Wilson looked?
I am not saying Wilson is really that bad but, just imagine if we can upgrade FS position with high draft choice.

DT: Yes using lighter tackles are working. However, don't you feel more comfortable having an additional disruptive DT to our D line?

OL: We need more power on our O Line to make our running better IMO. Our pass O protection is better but we need help on our running game. RB is not only problem. We can upgrade there.

RB: If I recall correctly, Smith was targeting Coffee on 3rd but was taken before we got to him. I assume other RB remained in draft wan't value pick for them. Who knows, we may go after some RB in 2010 draft.

I agree, I liked Jenkins as well but, Saints took him at 14th pick. But, I am very happy with Cushing.

DR: It is all depends on how DR perform this year. He may ended up not asking too much. We will find out about DR situation after this season.

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but the Bennett bust is a concern.
Bennett has had some tough personal issues off the field that maybe contributing to his lost season. Since the team has not disclosed anything regarding Bennett's situation, out of respect for his privacy I will not go into details, suffice it to say he has suffered a huge personal lose that would set anyone back.

He deserves our prayers, not our uninformed negativity.

Hope that his lost year does not hurt us and that he can come back focused and a stronger player soon.
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I wish the media would report this about Bennett without saying what his personal issues are.

Kubes said he was having a great TC and all of the sudden suckitude took over his game. I thought Kubes was blowing smoke where the sun dont shine.

This explains what is wrong with Bennett. I guess it's much to ask for McLame to provide useful info to his readers. It's bad that this MB is more informational than the Barnicle.

Thoughta and Prayers Freddy B
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