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Old 11-04-2009   #21
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Depends on underclassman who declare? right now I'm not sold on this Senior Class as a whole alone just not that deep to get an impact player, at least right away where the Texans select. So with that in mind I expect Rick Smith to be shopping around for trade down options- you know I keep saying this every year it could be New England they always seem to stockpile picks, this year in fact besides their own they have two extra 2nd rd. picks (Jacksonville & Tennessee). Both those should be very early in the 2nd if a player they covet is still on the board when the Texans pick then I would trade that pick two for one, so my mock draft would have not have a 1st rd. pick but three 2nd rounders

2a. Kareem Jackson, 5-11 192 CB Alabama (Jr.) could play both FS or CB.

2b. Noel Devine, 5-8 176 RB/WR West Virginia (Jr.) teammate of Steve Slaton explosive offensive playmaker like a Percy Harvin or DeSean Jackson.

2c. A.J. Edds, 6-4 244 OLB Iowa (Sr.) premier 4-3 weakside linebacker a coverage specialist who compliments DeMeco & Brian Cushing.

3. J.D. Walton, 6-3 305 C Baylor (Sr.) top notch Center to add inside toughness

4. Mike Neal, 6-3 302 DT Purdue (Sr.) developmental specimen to add to rotation.

5. Josh Pinkard, 6-1 215 FS USC (Sr.) better in coverage than Mays & more diciplined.

6a. (aquired via Travis Johnson) Tony Moeaki, 6-3 252 TE Iowa (Sr.) excellent hands, blocking technique question is will Owen Daniels be re-signed after torn acl?

6b. Lonyae Miller, 5-11 220 RB Fresno State (Sr.) ZBS powerback

7. Josh Hull, 6-3 240 ILB Penn State (another Diles) very productive/instinctive, low cost low maintenance
I actually feel pretty good about the senior class. At least, I dont see it as exceptionally weak. I would love to do the three 2nds, lets see if it happens.

2a) I dont think Jackson declares next year. But if he does, I could be talked into this pick. Can you give me some reasons why you like this guy?

2b) Devine.... very small, very quick. He also has underrated power. But still, I am having problems getting over his diminutive stature. A 3rd, yes I would take him with a smile on my face. But I just dont know this early. I would go with a power back or oline help.

2c) No complaints here. Our LB group will be nasty, especially with Diles backing up all three spots.

3) I am good with this pick. C is a week spot, and if the coaches are bent on keeping Caldwell at guard.

4) The first of your picks I really dislike. I have seen Purdue a couple of times, and this guy did not stand out at all. At all.

5) Pinkard is pretty good, but I worry that he looks better because of all the talent on the team. If you are looking for a playmaking safety, Kyle McCarthy is still the guy. Or Sash from Iowa, although he might play SS.

6) A TE? Not if OD gets resigned. If he is not, the I hope we go TE here, if not earlier. I actually like the Illinois guy better, Michael Hoomanawanui.

6) I am ok with a power back here, if we dont take on earlier. Miller is good, Blount (if he checks out mentally) might be ok, but a sleeper is Joique Bell from Wayne State.

7) Hull is a good pick here. I like the late round ILB here. I may be biased, but another playe is Ryan Reynolds from Oklahoma. Lots of knee injuries, which is scary, but he is a player.
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Harvin is 5'11" 195 I think. Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. Unless Devine becomes your starter, I do not see a high 2nd on him. We need too many other things. Thanks for info on others.
Darren Sproles anybody?

Noel Devine could be the next sproles. I'll take that anyday. Sure he is small but he is so small that most defenders wont see him until he is past the oline. Same with screens the defenders might know were he is but that doesnt mean they know witch direction he is going to go. By the time they figure it out he is running past them.
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Once McNair takes a look at Devine's checkered past he will never sign off on it so y'all can just throw that pipe dream away.
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Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each otherís moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but thatís ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.
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Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each otherís moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but thatís ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.
Overall I like your draft.
1. Haden, great pick no arguments.
2. Wright, good pick but we could probably do better.
3. Robinson, I doubt that he's still available in the 3rd round.
4. Wang, good pick and we definetly need some depth at OT
5. Rolle, I doubt he's still available in the 5th round.
6. Dixon, good pick and good value here.
6. Williams, I don't know anything about this guy.
7. Carter, definetly a position of need and we have little to lose here, good pick.
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Darren Sproles anybody?

Noel Devine could be the next sproles. I'll take that anyday. Sure he is small but he is so small that most defenders wont see him until he is past the oline. Same with screens the defenders might know were he is but that doesnt mean they know witch direction he is going to go. By the time they figure it out he is running past them.
Bubba, I just don't think one or two exceptions either good or bad is what I'd base a draft upon. You need a wider base.
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Here is one I did off the top of my head. I spent about 5 minutes or so on it. My scenario had the Texans picking around 18th.

1.Joe Haden,CB,Florida.
We need a CB and he is the best there.

2.Major Wright , FS, Florida.
Another Florida D player. These two know each other and can be slotted right in. They know each otherís moves and know how to pass and cover together.

3.Boo Robinson, NT, Wake Forest.
A MONSTOR nose tackle that can hold the line, be a force in the run game, and can also push forward to. The run stopper we have been begging our team to get.

4.Ed Wang, OT, Virginia Tech-
what does this team need? More balls. What goes with balls?! MORE WANG!

5.Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State.
Yeah THAT Myron Rolle, the guy who got a Rhodes Scholarship. He is a heck of a football player too. A year away from the game and he drops, but thatís ok with me.

6a.Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State-RB:
a true powerback. Need 2 yards? Hand the ball to him and let him fall forward.

6b.Juice Williams, QB, Illinois-
Yup. You read that right. But here is the thing. Juice Williams is NOT a QB. He is a guy who can be used in a few WildTEX packages. Need a couple of yards? Maybe direct snap to Juice and let him run it? How about a package with a direct snap to Juice, who hands it off to Slaton, who reverses it to Schaub who then throws a deep TD pass to AJ or OD?! Like the idea?! I do!

7. Brandon Carter, OG, Texas Tech.
Yeah THAT Brandon Carter. Yeah, that guy with the face paint and the Mohawk. Yeah, this guy is a football player. He plays hard every snap. May be a good backup.
I like your thinking, however..

3. No longer see a big DT being drafted ot FA if our lighter roster guys keep shutting down the run. I think other posters have identified Boo may not be the guy you think he is but I have not followed him. I like Oghobaase in 2nd if Gerhart not taken. He fits Smithiac idea of DT.

I have Dixon and Rolle rated higher.
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I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.
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I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.
I think DR is gone after this year. He will likely be gone via FA or trade. Reeves is fine, but I am not sold on any of the other CBs on the team.
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I don't know why so many folks are thinking Corner at this point. D-Rob and Reeves are both top 20 cover corners so far this season, and I don't see them letting Robinson walk when we're primed for a serious run next season.

Our draft needs are pretty much what they were last year: OG, OC, SS, DT, RB, and FS in roughly that order.
I am addressing your post and also Awtest. First each year since he has been here the coach as noted "you can't have enough cornerbacks." While I disagree with Awtest and think DR will be here next year, if he is gone it leaves a possible gaping hole in a priority position. Reeves has done better than most have expected and should continue to hold down one side. Is he a #1 CB? If Dunta leaves, Jacques better be. Quinn is looking good also, but as many have posted, he is only a few games from being a possible Bennett. Moulds has basically ridden the injury train & I expect nothing from him.

I think to a certain extent, Smith used the drafting of Quinn and a very fast McCain against DR before this season. Just a gentle reminder, Smith was ok moving on. This year little has changed other than DR is one year older and that does not help his demand for a long term deal. If Smith drops the tag on him again, which I expect, results will be the same. Now Dunta will have a season behind him to show other teams he is healthy and if some one wants to give up picks or work a trade, I'll be slap dab giddy.
Goatcheese, I think you are misreading the teams needs.

OG: Kubes is vocal that Studdard is coming along well. Other posters who do all the post game review for MB seem to agree his play is much better. Also many have stated Caldwell will be hard to remove as a starter on the right side. Even Winston made a comment this week on his radio show, that early on he or Duane Brown would be caught out of position supporting the guard replacements. He went on to say that no longer happens and that was in his opinion why Oline was doing better. On my board, I currently have two guards drafting but not until 4th and 5th rounds. Guards are rarely selected in first and this year's crop of tackles that can play guard is pretty deep.

Center: while many posters are upset with Myers, Kubes does not. Caldwell did not beat out the back up at center Chris White. Not saying he will not next season.

SS: Have you been watching Pollard? Now if you want to designate free safety as a need, I'm with you. Even for that position Wilson has made great strides since healing from injury.
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I am addressing your post and also Awtest. First each year since he has been here the coach as noted "you can't have enough cornerbacks." While I disagree with Awtest and think DR will be here next year, if he is gone it leaves a possible gaping hole in a priority position. Reeves has done better than most have expected and should continue to hold down one side. Is he a #1 CB? If Dunta leaves, Jacques better be. Quinn is looking good also, but as many have posted, he is only a few games from being a possible Bennett. Moulds has basically ridden the injury train & I expect nothing from him.

I think to a certain extent, Smith used the drafting of Quinn and a very fast McCain against DR before this season. Just a gentle reminder, Smith was ok moving on. This year little has changed other than DR is one year older and that does not help his demand for a long term deal. If Smith drops the tag on him again, which I expect, results will be the same. Now Dunta will have a season behind him to show other teams he is healthy and if some one wants to give up picks or work a trade, I'll be slap dab giddy.
Goatcheese, I think you are misreading the teams needs.

OG: Kubes is vocal that Studdard is coming along well. Other posters who do all the post game review for MB seem to agree his play is much better. Also many have stated Caldwell will be hard to remove as a starter on the right side. Even Winston made a comment this week on his radio show, that early on he or Duane Brown would be caught out of position supporting the guard replacements. He went on to say that no longer happens and that was in his opinion why Oline was doing better. On my board, I currently have two guards drafting but not until 4th and 5th rounds. Guards are rarely selected in first and this year's crop of tackles that can play guard is pretty deep.

Center: while many posters are upset with Myers, Kubes does not. Caldwell did not beat out the back up at center Chris White. Not saying he will not next season.

SS: Have you been watching Pollard? Now if you want to designate free safety as a need, I'm with you. Even for that position Wilson has made great strides since healing from injury.
OG/OC: They're not embarrassing themselves anymore, but when you have 2 losses in 8 games because you couldn't pick up 1 yard, they're a problem. Improving the interior line is easily the most important thing the Texans could do this coming spring. It will improve the running and passing offense.

SS: Pollard is terrible in coverage. I mean really bad. Yeah, he plays the run well and lays the wood, but a safety is first and foremost a DB, not an undersized linebacker.

FS: Wilson is the exact opposite of Pollard. He is good in coverage, but can't tackle to save his life. If you could somehow cram them both into one body you would have a really good safety. Unfortunately you can't, and I'd much rather have a safety that can only cover than one that can only tackle.
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OG/OC: They're not embarrassing themselves anymore, but when you have 2 losses in 8 games because you couldn't pick up 1 yard, they're a problem. Improving the interior line is easily the most important thing the Texans could do this coming spring. It will improve the running and passing offense.

SS: Pollard is terrible in coverage. I mean really bad. Yeah, he plays the run well and lays the wood, but a safety is first and foremost a DB, not an undersized linebacker.

FS: Wilson is the exact opposite of Pollard. He is good in coverage, but can't tackle to save his life. If you could somehow cram them both into one body you would have a really good safety. Unfortunately you can't, and I'd much rather have a safety that can only cover than one that can only tackle.
Yep. I have a FS on my board in round 3 and Tyler Sash SS who can play both in 6th. He might be gone as more become aware of him. Another poster tipped me off. 5 INTs last season and 6 so far this year.
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Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245
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Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245
No corner or free safety? Dunno about dat.
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No corner or free safety? Dunno about dat.
I am actually feeling ok about our corners. If the team makes the playoffs, I think DRob might stay. DRob, Reeves, Quinn, that is solid enough for me, especially if we can get a better pass rush.

Free safety, yea, I really want to pick one. But there is just no one I feel really good about. Wilson is playing ok. Who would you pick at FS? Sash is a RS Soph, he wont come out this year.
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I am actually feeling ok about our corners. If the team makes the playoffs, I think DRob might stay. DRob, Reeves, Quinn, that is solid enough for me, especially if we can get a better pass rush.

Free safety, yea, I really want to pick one. But there is just no one I feel really good about. Wilson is playing ok. Who would you pick at FS? Sash is a RS Soph, he wont come out this year.
First on Sash, he is eligible as i have been told due to his high school graduating class or something like that. If this is correct, He is sitting on at least 11 INTs last two years with games to go. He is 20 yoa and IMO another year will not move him up much IMO.

I had same opinion as you on DRob until his game against Colts, where he looked very average. I really like Quinn but he could have a Bennett season next year and Moulds should be gone. I want a CB some round if Dunta is around and if not, a CB very high in draft.

Free safety has been very important to me but Wilson has cooled my jets a bit with his much improved play as he heals. As of today, I have Texans at #19 with Haden CB in round 1. With either Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 or Kyle Wilson of Boise FS/CB 5'10" 186 4.42 in 3rd.

Round two is where I'm conflicted. I want RB Gerhart but do not think Smith will select a Power Back that high so I have Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5"310 lbs 5.16 Duke
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Another week has passed. Even with the loss, I think the Texans are a playoff team and will be picking around 22. I would be giddy at a trade up for Suh or Berry, but that wont happen. A trade down is my next favorite option, but since predicting trades can be so convoluted, I am having no trades in this.

1) OG Mike Iupati, Idaho, 6'5" 330

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305

4) DT Jay Ross, East Carolina, 6'3" 314

5) OT Ed Wand, Virginia Tech, 6'5" 309

6) S Kyle McCarty, Notre Dame, 6' 210

6) DE Austen Lane, Murray State, 6'6" 258

7) Duke ILB Vincent Rey, 6' 245
If this were to happen I'd be giddy

HowEver- after finally getting a chance to see Toby pound the rock & beat a top 10 team almost singlehandedly, at least in my mind he has moved himself up into the first round. With the Texans issues @ RB even I have to finally admit this has to be addressed early. I would take similar pathway as the Cushing pick last draft, just that this time its on the offensive side & no I don't want to bring in Larry Johnson (who may or may not save you a top pick).

Toby is a playmaking stud powerback without fumbling issues, is an excellent blocker, high charcter & excellent teammate. Above all he is a football player just like Cushing & nobody is bashing that pick anymore
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This is my fear Beerlover, the more attention he gets, the higher he goes and convincing you to go RB in 1st is a bit more easy than Kubes, I'm thinking. I started with Gerhart in 3rd and then 2nd.
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First on Sash, he is eligible as i have been told due to his high school graduating class or something like that. If this is correct, He is sitting on at least 11 INTs last two years with games to go. He is 20 yoa and IMO another year will not move him up much IMO.

I had same opinion as you on DRob until his game against Colts, where he looked very average. I really like Quinn but he could have a Bennett season next year and Moulds should be gone. I want a CB some round if Dunta is around and if not, a CB very high in draft.

Free safety has been very important to me but Wilson has cooled my jets a bit with his much improved play as he heals. As of today, I have Texans at #19 with Haden CB in round 1. With either Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 or Kyle Wilson of Boise FS/CB 5'10" 186 4.42 in 3rd.

Round two is where I'm conflicted. I want RB Gerhart but do not think Smith will select a Power Back that high so I have Vince Oghobaase DT 6'5"310 lbs 5.16 Duke
You are absolutely correct, Sash is eligible. But how many RS Sophomore's declare? I dont see it happening, especially if he is only projected in the bottom half of the draft.

DRob looked average, again you are correct. But it was against the Colts. Most DB's are average if not below average against them. I truly believe that Haden will not be available at the Texans pick.

I am glad that I am getting more people on the Gerhart bandwagon. And I agree with Beerlover below (I will reply to that post in a sec), I would take him in the first. Oghobaase would be an acceptable backup pick.
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