The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread - Page 13 - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

mussop · 09-27-2009

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Originally Posted by mattieuk

There is nothing to gain by firing Kubiak at the moment. Sure 1-2 isn't how we would have wanted to be after 3, and it hasn't been anything like pretty. But getting rid of a HC after 3 weeks, in our situation just does not make sense.

He stays. Its an end of the season decision.

I dissagree. Once we are eliminated from the playoffs there is no reason to continue this sham.

OzzO · 09-27-2009

Okay, how bout this? Since there doesn't seem to be any leading candidates out there that makes one (well, me anyway) perk up and say - "wow, that'd be a definite improvement over what we currently have and can see a quick 180..."

Our offense seems to be running well - continues to be the defense issues... why not look for a better "proven" defensive coordinator as assistant head coach - or is that just not possible?

Marcus · 09-27-2009

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Originally Posted by OzzO

. . .why not look for a better "proven" defensive coordinator as assistant head coach - or is that just not possible?

You mean right now . . . while the season is going on?

OzzO · 09-27-2009

Sure, why not? Not saying to nix what we have (what do we have) early in the season... but what harm would there be in some "DC window shopping"? Perhaps someone wonder about their position, perhaps light a fire, some players start seeing the defensive coaches as lame ducks?

Jackie Chiles · 09-28-2009

I said earlier in this thread that if I was Bob McNair after the Jets game I would be thinking to myself that Gary needs 10 wins to keep his job. That is still the number but I would like to throw out another name that I don't believe has been mentioned in this thread. Leslie Frazier, DC Minnesota.

He has been a pretty hot candidate the last couple of years and he just missed out on getting one of the jobs last year. I think it is almost a guarantee that he will be a head coach for someone next year. This is a guy that, while he can't bring his defensive line with him, knows what it takes to win in the trenches on defense. I would trust him to drop the dead weight on our line and start finding some real players to put around Mario. He doesn't need to shake up the offense a great deal either. As a side note, he is likely to be choice numero uno for at least a couple teams so the fact that his son is a WR at Rice might help make us more attractive.

dickieb · 09-28-2009

I'm not sure if his name has been mentioned in here and I know a lot of us are not keen on giving an unexperienced coach a shot but what do you guys think about the Houston coach - is it Sumlin? I am a Texas Tech fan but I saw him prepare his team to beat OSU and Tech - not bad. Is he the real deal or is it too early to tell?

GP · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by dickieb

I'm not sure if his name has been mentioned in here and I know a lot of us are not keen on giving an unexperienced coach a shot but what do you guys think about the Houston coach - is it Sumlin? I am a Texas Tech fan but I saw him prepare his team to beat OSU and Tech - not bad. Is he the real deal or is it too early to tell?

IMO, what we witnessed Saturday night was two teams that do the same thing. And one team did it better on that specific night.

The spread offense is a joke, in terms of making your entire team a true contender. You'll beat up on teams that are annually bad and have no offense themselves, but you'll lose to teams that have legit offenses. Because a team that runs a spread offense seems to always have a leaky defense, due to getting 3 minutes of rest and being trotted back onto the field without enough rest between series.

Look how many times that the only way Tech wins is if they get the ball with 2-3 minutes remaining in the game. LOL.

I am a Tech fan, and the spread is a double-edged sword IMO. It cuts the other team's defense...but it cuts our own defense at the same time.

Sumlin and Leach are good at running the spread. Does that translate to them running an NFL team? Probably not. Just my opinion, though.

BigBull17 · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by dickieb

I'm not sure if his name has been mentioned in here and I know a lot of us are not keen on giving an unexperienced coach a shot but what do you guys think about the Houston coach - is it Sumlin? I am a Texas Tech fan but I saw him prepare his team to beat OSU and Tech - not bad. Is he the real deal or is it too early to tell?

I was waiting for this. No. Just no.He's a good college coach, but that doesn't mean he'll translate.

dickieb · 09-28-2009

Yeah I figured that - but i just wanted to gauge the H-town feel for him see if there was something to him. I hope he can run the table for the Cougars - at least most of you guys could find happiness with them. I want a proven NFL guy - not a college coach, hometown boy, or a relative of someone in the organization.

Goldensilence · 09-28-2009

The only problem I have with firing Kubiak is.....looking over this staff I get sick of the idea of looking at an interim replacement in staff. Of the people here I think only Ray Rhodes inspires any sort of confidence. I don't think his health will allow him to do it though.

We all knew Kubiak's job was on the line when he promoted Bush, guess Gary didn't care.

IMO if we don't bring in a coach who doesn't have any sort of winning pedigree we might as well keep Kubiak.

Bring on Marty Ball!

TimeKiller · 09-28-2009

Well...I'm not on this bandwagon yet but....

4th and 1 staring the goalline down late in the game and you kick a field goal for a tie instead of an attempt at a go-ahead TD? Was it a lack of faith in the offense (unwarranted) or a plethora of faith in the defense (also extremely unwarranted)? Did you not want the momentum of converting a 4th down and probably a TD after that? Did you not want to eat up some clock against a team that relies on the ground game?

That's playing to "not lose", not playing to "win". YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAMES!!!!!

**Vinny** · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Well...I'm not on this bandwagon yet but....

4th and 1 staring the goalline down late in the game and you kick a field goal for a tie instead of an attempt at a go-ahead TD? Was it a lack of faith in the offense (unwarranted) or a plethora of faith in the defense (also extremely unwarranted)? Did you not want the momentum of converting a 4th down and probably a TD after that? Did you not want to eat up some clock against a team that relies on the ground game?

That's playing to "not lose", not playing to "win". YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAMES!!!!!

you gotta take the points there.

**eriadoc** · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Well...I'm not on this bandwagon yet but....

4th and 1 staring the goalline down late in the game and you kick a field goal for a tie instead of an attempt at a go-ahead TD? Was it a lack of faith in the offense (unwarranted) or a plethora of faith in the defense (also extremely unwarranted)? Did you not want the momentum of converting a 4th down and probably a TD after that? Did you not want to eat up some clock against a team that relies on the ground game?

That's playing to "not lose", not playing to "win". YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAMES!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Vinny

you gotta take the points there.

Yeah, there are a lot of things that you can fault Kubiak for, but being too conservative on offense is not one of them. He goes for it on 4th a lot more than most other coaches, and he does it from more than just 4th and 1, as well.

**Chance_C** · 09-28-2009

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Well...I'm not on this bandwagon yet but....

4th and 1 staring the goalline down late in the game and you kick a field goal for a tie instead of an attempt at a go-ahead TD? Was it a lack of faith in the offense (unwarranted) or a plethora of faith in the defense (also extremely unwarranted)? Did you not want the momentum of converting a 4th down and probably a TD after that? Did you not want to eat up some clock against a team that relies on the ground game?

That's playing to "not lose", not playing to "win". YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAMES!!!!!

Well it wasn't like he was just out of field goal range, that would be the only time I go for it right there. If we would have went for it and not made it it would have been bad. Put those 3 on the board, and hope you can get the ball back to your offense, like we did.

**HOU-TEX** · 09-28-2009

I'm not looking forward to going through another regime overhaul.

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nero THE zero · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

I'm not looking forward to going through another regime overhaul.

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The talent level's there, there'd be no excuse to not contend immediately under a different coach.

Hell, I think it's still possible for us to content with this coach, I just don't think it's prudent to wait around for him to figure it out.

MannyFresh · 09-28-2009

Well he has a press conference at 3:30 today so we'll see what smoke he blows today... can already feel the smoke tingling my ass.

**Chance_C** · 09-28-2009

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Well he has a press conference at 3:30 today so we'll see what smoke he blows today... can already feel the smoke tingling my ass.

It's all my fault......I have to do a better job...blah blah blah. Please Lord, even if we all agree with Kubiak, please let him light a fire under someone's ass

TimeKiller · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by Vinny

you gotta take the points there.

I respectfully disagree. Well sort of. They should've taken points there but they should've taken a 7 instead of a 3. If you're playing to win the game you go after the 7. What about the D inspired Kubiak to think it could handle holding a tie? He had his better unit sitting in prime position to put the pressure on the opponents and he left the game in the D's hands. Bad decision to me.

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Originally Posted by Chance_C

Well it wasn't like he was just out of field goal range, that would be the only time I go for it right there. If we would have went for it and not made it it would have been bad. Put those 3 on the board, and hope you can get the ball back to your offense, like we did.

If I'm not mistaken, the Jags got the ball back and scored 7? Made it 31-24?

Field Goal was the safe choice. Hindsight is always 20/20 but that turned out to be the wrong choice IMO.

bckey · 09-28-2009

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Originally Posted by MannyFresh

Well he has a press conference at 3:30 today so we'll see what smoke he blows today... can already feel the smoke tingling my ass.

I saw it listed on the front page earlier today on the official website but it has been removed or least I can't find it anywhere.

found it

09-27-2009	#242
OzzO .. and then? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: northside Posts: 6,127 Rep Power: 3574	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread Okay, how bout this? Since there doesn't seem to be any leading candidates out there that makes one (well, me anyway) perk up and say - "wow, that'd be a definite improvement over what we currently have and can see a quick 180..." Our offense seems to be running well - continues to be the defense issues... why not look for a better "proven" defensive coordinator as assistant head coach - or is that just not possible?

09-27-2009	#244
OzzO .. and then? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: northside Posts: 6,127 Rep Power: 3574	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread Sure, why not? Not saying to nix what we have (what do we have) early in the season... but what harm would there be in some "DC window shopping"? Perhaps someone wonder about their position, perhaps light a fire, some players start seeing the defensive coaches as lame ducks?

09-28-2009	#245
Jackie Chiles Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston Age: 29 Posts: 1,800 Rep Power: 2325	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread I said earlier in this thread that if I was Bob McNair after the Jets game I would be thinking to myself that Gary needs 10 wins to keep his job. That is still the number but I would like to throw out another name that I don't believe has been mentioned in this thread. Leslie Frazier, DC Minnesota. He has been a pretty hot candidate the last couple of years and he just missed out on getting one of the jobs last year. I think it is almost a guarantee that he will be a head coach for someone next year. This is a guy that, while he can't bring his defensive line with him, knows what it takes to win in the trenches on defense. I would trust him to drop the dead weight on our line and start finding some real players to put around Mario. He doesn't need to shake up the offense a great deal either. As a side note, he is likely to be choice numero uno for at least a couple teams so the fact that his son is a WR at Rice might help make us more attractive. __________________ "If the bra don't fit, you must acquit"

09-28-2009	#246
dickieb Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Not in Texas anymore :( Posts: 343 Rep Power: 8	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread I'm not sure if his name has been mentioned in here and I know a lot of us are not keen on giving an unexperienced coach a shot but what do you guys think about the Houston coach - is it Sumlin? I am a Texas Tech fan but I saw him prepare his team to beat OSU and Tech - not bad. Is he the real deal or is it too early to tell? __________________ "I wanna win!" - Nacho Libre

09-28-2009	#249
dickieb Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Not in Texas anymore :( Posts: 343 Rep Power: 8	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread Yeah I figured that - but i just wanted to gauge the H-town feel for him see if there was something to him. I hope he can run the table for the Cougars - at least most of you guys could find happiness with them. I want a proven NFL guy - not a college coach, hometown boy, or a relative of someone in the organization. __________________ "I wanna win!" - Nacho Libre

09-28-2009	#250
Goldensilence Is this Sparta? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out of the desert finally... Age: 31 Posts: 5,026 Rep Power: 6218	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread The only problem I have with firing Kubiak is.....looking over this staff I get sick of the idea of looking at an interim replacement in staff. Of the people here I think only Ray Rhodes inspires any sort of confidence. I don't think his health will allow him to do it though. We all knew Kubiak's job was on the line when he promoted Bush, guess Gary didn't care. IMO if we don't bring in a coach who doesn't have any sort of winning pedigree we might as well keep Kubiak. Bring on Marty Ball!

09-28-2009	#251
TimeKiller Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: This giant tree, standing 10,000 ft. high but not reaching the ground. It's roots must hold the sky. Section: 521/Couch Age: 26 Posts: 7,648 Rep Power: 0	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread Well...I'm not on this bandwagon yet but.... 4th and 1 staring the goalline down late in the game and you kick a field goal for a tie instead of an attempt at a go-ahead TD? Was it a lack of faith in the offense (unwarranted) or a plethora of faith in the defense (also extremely unwarranted)? Did you not want the momentum of converting a 4th down and probably a TD after that? Did you not want to eat up some clock against a team that relies on the ground game? That's playing to "not lose", not playing to "win". YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAMES!!!!!

09-28-2009	#255
HOU-TEX Ah, Football! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: P-land Age: 42 Posts: 14,143 Rep Power: 19780	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread I'm not looking forward to going through another regime overhaul. HOU-TEX: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOU-TEX: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOU-TEX: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOU-TEX: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines" __________________ "We wanted to make a statement, run the ball and make them like it." - Duane Brown

09-28-2009	#257
MannyFresh El Capitan Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rosenberg, TX Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 397	Re: The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK thread Well he has a press conference at 3:30 today so we'll see what smoke he blows today... can already feel the smoke tingling my ass. __________________ "Feelin kinda Sunday"

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