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Old 05-25-2005   #21
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A great running game will get you no where if you have a bad Defense

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A great passing game won't get you too far, if you have a bad Defense


First you need a good Defense, if you have that, then I believe that a great running game would compliment it the best.

If your Defense is the worst in the league, then you'd better have the best passing attack, or you'll never keep up.

So it all depends on your defense.

Personally, I prefer a balanced attack anyways.
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Old 05-25-2005   #22
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Just thought I add to this mish mash. Oilers had great runner in Campbell and then with Moon and all the "smurfs" we had passing yards out the ying yang. Didn't get far with either. Personally, I like the combination we see with Texans now. Johnson a thousand + and DD thousand + for 2005. My 2 cents only.
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In beating the Colts in the playoffs Tom Brady only threw for 144 yards while the Patriots ran for 210 yards. Meanwhile, Manning threw for 238 yards but the Colts only ran for 46 yards. Patriots 20, Colts 3.

A good running game will chew up the clock and keep the ball out of Manning's hands so he can't score lots of points. Even though Davis has had a couple of 1000 yard seasons, the Texans really haven't had a good running game yet because they haven't been able to run the ball effectively at the end of the game to maintain a lead. Remember the end of the 2003 season when the Colts and Titans were able to come back and win games late? The Texans lost those games because they couldn't run the ball effectively when they needed to run time off the clock.

A good running game is one that can get first downs late in the game by running on first, second, and third down (and even fourth if necessary) with everyone in the building knowing that they are going to run the ball.
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running game without a question. for the same reasons i love a tough defense are the same reasons i love an effective ground game. there are few things more impressive than one team physically dominating another team. no bells and whistles, strings attached, or "gotcha" crap, just plain old fashioned domination. also eats the clock, is demoralizing (for reasons mentioned above) and epitomizes what football is about IMO.

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haha i was playing, but i do like responses, thanks. I feel a running game is better, cause u run out clock and keep ur D off the field, with a good passing game u get into shoot outs, cause ur D gets worn down early and often.
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Here's the way I look at it. A great passing game scores points, but a great running game wins games. If you strive to be a great team, you need both elements working.
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and defenses win championships. thats why indy can never make it to the big game.
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Just thought I add to this mish mash. Oilers had great runner in Campbell and then with Moon and all the "smurfs" we had passing yards out the ying yang. Didn't get far with either. Personally, I like the combination we see with Texans now. Johnson a thousand + and DD thousand + for 2005. My 2 cents only.
The Oilers of the late 70's were a pretty average team with a great running back. They went to two conference championship games and lost to maybe the greatest team of all team in the Pittsburgh Steelers both times. The Oilers were probably the second best team in the NFL in 1979.

The Oilers in their run-and-shoot days were probably the most talented team in the NFL and maybe the most talented team in NFL history to never get to a Super Bowl. They didn't even get to a conference championship game and didn't have a great team keeping them from the Super Bowl. Those run-and-shoot Oilers set a record in blowing a 35-3 second half lead.

A great runner raised a mediocre team in the late 70's to great heights.

The lack of a strong running game kept a great team in the late 80's and early 90's from achieving what it was capable of.
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Tom Landray once said after one of the Oilers rare wins over the Cowboys during the Campbell era. " The Oilers didn't beat us today, Earl Campbell did." He HATED losing to the likes of a character like Bum Phillips. One of my most charished memories.
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It is not running back or reciever. To be one of the best you have to have at LEAST a good to great QB, a good to great RB, a good to great WR and a very good TE or second WR.
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In the modern NFL, the pass is a more effective form of offense than the run.

But . . .

A good passing game requires quality play from a minimum of eight offensive players (QB, O-line and two receivers of one kind or another).

A good running game requires quality play from three players (RB, RT, RG).

Moreover, many of the positions essential to the passing game are the ones where there really is stark ability-differential at the very top end, which means that these positions are the ones which, along with CB, demand most money (QB, WR, LT).

This means that a good passing attack will eat all your cap space, preventing you from spending on defense, whereas a good running attack comes relatively cheap.

There is a further bias towards passing-game players being overpayed which stems from the preference of most (and especially most casual) football fans' preference for high-octane, big-score football. Teams will therefore be more popular, and hence more profitable, if they play a downfield passing offense, which is one reason why the teams that do so are often the small market franchises that really need the cash (see Indianapolis).
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OK but, other than INDY who else should I see ?
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In the modern NFL, the pass is a more effective form of offense than the run.
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A good passing game requires quality play from a minimum of eight offensive players (QB, O-line and two receivers of one kind or another).

A good running game requires quality play from three players (RB, RT, RG).
I think that's a good point.
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Moreover, many of the positions essential to the passing game are the ones where there really is stark ability-differential at the very top end, which means that these positions are the ones which, along with CB, demand most money (QB, WR, LT).

This means that a good passing attack will eat all your cap space, preventing you from spending on defense, whereas a good running attack comes relatively cheap.
I think that's a good point too.
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There is a further bias towards passing-game players being overpayed which stems from the preference of most (and especially most casual) football fans' preference for high-octane, big-score football. Teams will therefore be more popular, and hence more profitable, if they play a downfield passing offense, which is one reason why the teams that do so are often the small market franchises that really need the cash (see Indianapolis).

You lost me on that one.
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But most important, I am not a post whore.

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But sometimes I do accidentally spill my beer on people at football games...

It jumped right outta my hand!







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But sometimes I do accidentally spill my beer on people at football games...

It jumped right outta my hand!
That gets expensive real fast
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right, each spill is like 50 cents down the drain. but anyway, i have to somewhat disagree about needing 8 quality players to pass and only 3 to run. bottom line is you need a good Oline to do both. if the left side of the line sucks, the running game will go nowhere. you can't just run right on every running play. and what about the fullback, i'd say having a good blocking FB does wonders to a running game. i guess all i'm getting at is its not just 3 guys needed to run the ball. look at denver, they have a great running game and not the best running backs. its about the whole Oline, not just the RG and RT. one could even argue having 2 quality guards are better than a quality RG and RT. but then again it depends what kind of running game you're running, do you run hard between the tackles or pull your guards alot.
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