Texans' Offense and Schaub, Poor Match

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by DocBar

Last weeks game was not Scaubs fault. He didn't look good, but he really had no chance to. The coaching staff did a horrible job of gameplanning, making in-game adjustments and calling the game. As fans, we went from playoff bound if Schaub stays healthy to we can't win if Schaub is our QB, based on one game? That's ridiculous. He is a good QB. Maybe he isn't a HOFer, but he's certainly better than anyone else on the team. Put your panick buttons away and let's see what happens tomorrow.

The problem is that this has been a repeated problem from day 1. The players have had to play at least somewhat decently in order to overcome this perennial coaching problem...........most of the time, they haven't.

[DocBar]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

The problem is that this has been a repeated problem from day 1. The players have had to play at least somewhat decently in order to overcome this perennial coaching problem...........most of the time, they haven't.

I don't really have an answer for that. After last season, it seemed like we had turned the corner on offense and with a few tweaks, we would improve on redzone O and turnovers. Defense was where the biggest questions were. The D played a very good half on run D and had breakdowns on 3rd & long. In a word, fixable. We missed several turnovers by inches last week. We get those, and who knows how the game turns out? The offense not being able to sustain drives wore the D out and turned a close contest into a blowout. Did Kubes take the Jets too lightly? I don't understand why Kubes and Co. can't make in-game adjustments. He wouldn't even give CB more carries when it was obvious he was more effective. I hate to think of changing coaching staffs, but that's looking more and more like the best route. We have the talent, on both sides of the ball, to be a competitive team, but we never seem to get the most out of that talent. That's a coaching problem, pure and simple.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by DocBar

Last weeks game was not Scaubs fault. He didn't look good, but he really had no chance to. The coaching staff did a horrible job of gameplanning, making in-game adjustments and calling the game. As fans, we went from playoff bound if Schaub stays healthy to we can't win if Schaub is our QB, based on one game? That's ridiculous. He is a good QB. Maybe he isn't a HOFer, but he's certainly better than anyone else on the team. Put your panick buttons away and let's see what happens tomorrow.

I just had a "if HWWNBN had a better O-line and more receivers..." flashback when I read that first sentence.
I don't mean any harm, but that sounds an awful lot like excusing Schaub from blame.

The way I understand it, and you guys who might know better correct me if this is wrong, but the QB sits in on the game-planning too. So if a faulty game plan was the issue, then he's part of the problem.
So no. Schaub cannot be absolved from blame.
No way.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

I just had a "if HWWNBN had a better O-line and more receivers..." flashback when I read that first sentence.
I don't mean any harm, but that sounds an awful lot like excusing Schaub from blame.

The way I understand it, and you guys who might know better correct me if this is wrong, but the QB sits in on the game-planning too. So if a faulty game plan was the issue, then he's part of the problem.
So no. Schaub cannot be absolved from blame.
No way.

In no way can you absolve Schaub for a lot of things. But, if Schaub is not allowed to audible, I logically have to question how much input he is truly allowed when it comes to final game planning?

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

In no way can you absolve Schaub for a lot of things. But, if Schaub is not allowed to audible, I logically have to question how much input he is truly allowed when it comes to final game planning?

Both of those things, not letting your QB audible and having minimal input in game plan formation, are very disturbing.
Maybe it's a control freak thing on the part of Kubiak. And strangely enough, that would be good news. Because the alternative explanation is that he has little faith in his QB's football smarts.
The latter is kinda hard to believe because Schaub seems to make good reads and goes thru his progressions properly.
...so maybe it's a control freak thing on Kubiak's part.

[DocBar]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

I just had a "if HWWNBN had a better O-line and more receivers..." flashback when I read that first sentence.
I don't mean any harm, but that sounds an awful lot like excusing Schaub from blame.

The way I understand it, and you guys who might know better correct me if this is wrong, but the QB sits in on the game-planning too. So if a faulty game plan was the issue, then he's part of the problem.
So no. Schaub cannot be absolved from blame.
No way.

I can see where you would think that, but it isn't the case. Schaub isn't above reproach by any means, but Sunday wasn't his loss. It was Kubiaks. If Kubiak suddenly doesn't trust the QB, who he gave 2 2nd round picks for, to make the right read and audible us out of a bad play, then then Kubes needs to join the ranks of the unemployed. Schaub has proven he can throw the ball well. He's no Steve Young scrambling, but he's not Dan Marino or Bernie Kosar, either. Given reasonable protection, he makes the right throw...most of the time. The offense we saw last Sunday was offensive in all phases, so we can't just say it was Schaub's fault and put in O or G, expecting better results. BTW, I have no idea how much input players
have on game planning.

[MEGA SWATT]

David Carr was durable as heck, had a strong azz arm, was mobile and had a sick crossover move that he used to get into the endzone on a busted play doing his best runningback impersonation.........then we get rid of him for David Carr-light.

[DocBar]

How have we gone from the 3rd ranked offense in total yds during '08 and everyone, rightfully so, questioning ONLY Schaubs durability to Schaub being compared to David Carr? One game, against a defense that completely overwhelmed our entire offensive effort, is justification for this? I think we, as fans, are being a little overcritical of the situation and are getting panicky.

[DocBar]

Where is everyone? I hope you're watching Schaub having a pretty good day in Nashville. Can we drop these kind of threads for a while?

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by DocBar

Where is everyone? I hope you're watching Schaub having a pretty good day in Nashville. Can we drop these kind of threads for a while?

No, because Schaub didn't break any league records.

That means he's terribad.

[infantrycak]

Yeah Schaub sucks in this offense. 158.333 QB rating.

[Thorn]

Schaub, like the Texans, is hot and cold. Last week cold, today hot as hell. When he starts showing consistency for an entire season instead of individual games, then the critics will be silent.

And he was damn good today.

[gafftop]

Please read original post. Matt was much more mobile today.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by gafftop

Please read original post. Matt was much more mobile today.

Sorry, but I read the original post. It contained this:

Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB.

So the assertion wasn't just when Schaub had a bum ankle. Schaub fits our system well, more than well. This system doesn't need a Michael Vick. In fact Vick sucked in this system.

[gafftop]

I will stand behind that. He will never be the most mobile. i agree he does not need to be though. The O line gave him a chance today, plus he was healthier.

[TimeKiller]

How 'bout them apples? 4 TDs was it?

IN THE SAME GAME?!?

Was that the Houston Texans?

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by gafftop

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

2009 posted

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by gafftop

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

Originally Posted by gafftop

I guess I am trying to figure out if we can salvage THIS season. Again I agree a better offensive line is the answer and very possibly that is the ONLY answer.Nothing else may make a substantial difference in the overall outcome. I do think Ben would do better than MS did against the Jets only because he could have bought some time and probably had some success. Would it have made a difference in the overall outcome? Maybe, maybe not. Little things can make differences. If Slaton had not fumbled that might have changed the course of the game.The question is would Ben have survived, I think so. If MS did the same thing and took the same hits would he have survived? I think the Texans/MS by design or by instinct have decided that MS can not afford to get hit and take a chance of injury. AGAIN I hope the ankle was the reason for the poor showing. And again I think MS is just barely mobile enoughwhen healthy to be effective against a good pass rushing defense with our offensive line. Do I think Gross/Orv would be better, I am not sure but I am afraid we will find out. Let's just hope that NY Jets have a GREAT defense and from here on it will get easier.Again all above my opinion only.

Originally Posted by gafftop

I have heard it a couple of different times that MS is limited by the coaching staff as to making changes. If this is true I think it is wrong unless I am missing something. When do they turn the speakers off? Well a lot of things change after those speakers go out. Unless MS is Carrlike I think he needs the opportunity to make changes. If he is that Carrlike ...........

This is Post started 9/2009 over 3 years ago
Schaub has lost what little mobility he had and i think arm strength has gotten worse or he needs wind up now to throw the ball.

Just posted to remind some of you in case you think something may change in the future.

Matt is Matt period. Not his fault he is what he is. I think the FO/coaching staff needs to be more objective and realistic and realize what they have.

Maybe they know and are in a wait and hold pattern but then why resign him before this season.

[Hervoyel]

Didn't see the zombie thread until it was too late. Disregard