Young fired up to wear Oilers' logo

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by Specnatz

To bad you can't find a coach who can prevent choking.

I have to agree with BA here. You can't blame Fisher for all the choking because that team was choking in the postseason LONG before Fisher got there and will be doing the same LONG after he leaves.

Vince Lombardi himself couldn't overcome the Curse.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Kubiak:
2006 6-10
2007 8-8
2008 8-8
22-26 after 48 games

Porn 'stache:
1994 1-5
1995 7-9
1996 8-8
1997 5-5

21-27 after 48 games

I'm not saying......... I'm just sayin'

If you want to count the 1-5 mid season take over that is fine but again if you think Kubiak is a better coach then the Fish you have lost your mind.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

If you want to count the 1-5 mid season take over that is fine but again if you think Kubiak is a better coach then the Fish you have lost your mind.

For fairness' sake you can only compare an equal amount of games, so yes count the 1-5. I know Fisher was handed a bad team, but so was Kubiak, no excuse. At this point in his career, Kubiak has one more win than Fisher had at the same point in his career. Draw your own conclusions.... Da Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

For fairness' sake you can only compare an equal amount of games, so yes count the 1-5. I know Fisher was handed a bad team, but so was Kubiak, no excuse. At this point in his career, Kubiak has one more win than Fisher had at the same point in his career. Draw your own conclusions.... Da Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

Yes but Kubiak has an entire off season to get the team ready Fisher had a week. HUGE difference.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

If you want to count the 1-5 mid season take over that is fine but again if you think Kubiak is a better coach then the Fish you have lost your mind.

Right now? With Fisher in his 14(.5) season as HC and Kubiak in his 4th? No. Compare apples to apples whenever possible and for the sake of fairness drop each of their first seasons. Fisher didn't get an entire first season and arguably in both of their cases it was the year they had each had the least amount of input into the team they had to take on the field. Fisher inherited a R&S offense without a triggerman and Kubiak inherited an offense with nobody (DC) at the helm.

Then all you can do is compare Kubiak's last two years with Fishers first two complete seasons. That would be Kubiak's twin 8-8 records vs. Fishers 7-9 and 8-8 records in 95-96.

Kubiak could go 8-8 for two more years and still have Fisher by a single game.

If you take each of their careers from the year following the teams 2-14 crash then it reverses. Kubiak went 6-10, 8-8, and 8-8. Fisher went 7-9, 8-8, and 8-8.

It's a one game swing either way.

The facts show clearly that Fisher started almost exactly like Kubiak has. I know how bad both of those rosters were at the time each man took over their respective franchise and I'm here to tell you Fisher had less rebuilding to do in 1995 than Kubiak did here in 2005. Granted he had the move to cope with so I call that a wash either way.

If Kubiak gets the Texans over .500 this year and dare I hope, to the playoffs then yes, he is absolutely a better coach than Jeff Fisher was following his fourth year. He will have gone from 2-14 to a winning record and a playoff berth in a shorter period of time than Jeff did.

How it plays out remains to be seen. 2009 is an important year if you're a Texans fan (and I know you're not but you can't help but acknowledge this). It's really "the" year where we find out if we're going in the right direction or not.

[Blazing Arrow]

I love the tip toe around the '99 season. Good work but it's a little early to be drinking isn't it?

[Hervoyel]

Nobody's doing any tip toeing around 99'. That took place in Fishers 5th full season as coach. When Kubiak gets to his 5th then comparisons to Fisher will, shall I say "have the bar set rather high".

Still it took him 5 years to get there. I'd think if you gave somebody 5 years to put something together and they didn't finally do something then there would be a problem wouldn't you?

[Blazing Arrow]

He not only put it together he took the team through two moves and a name change and ran it all the way to the Super Bowl. Then for the next three seasons set a record for most wins by a team over a three year span which was eventually beaten by the Colts. In 14 seasons he has only had 4 teams with losing records. Won the division 4 times including a conference championship. He has coached an MVP and dealt with several 1st round busts. All of that and survived a cap purge.

You gotta admit Kubiak could never hope to have such a sweat stash?

[Double Barrel]

This thread is supposed to be about making fun of Radio playing dress up in old Oilers unis.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

This thread is supposed to be about making fun of Radio playing dress up in old Oilers unis.

This thread is about a lot of things ...

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

Yes but Kubiak has an entire off season to get the team ready Fisher had a week. HUGE difference.

Yes, but... yeah but...

Or one could argue that Fisher was already with the organization and Kubiak had to be introduced to an organization and move his family and deal with a draft not knowing the personnel he had on the team....

See how excuses work?

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

This thread is supposed to be about making fun of Radio playing dress up in old Oilers unis.

Thanks for the reminder!



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[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Yes, but... yeah but...

Or one could argue that Fisher was already with the organization and Kubiak had to be introduced to an organization and move his family and deal with a draft not knowing the personnel he had on the team....

See how excuses work?

Still no excuse for your homer view of Kubiak.

[Double Barrel]

I want to be because he's a Titan, but I can't dog Fisher. It just figures that once Bud finally decided to stick with a coach and have some stability in his FO, he'd already moved out of Houston.

That being said, the VY-issue might be the divide between Bud and Fisher. Seriously, Bud seems intent on pushing VY, and from looking on the outside, it does not appear that the coaching staff is all too eager to play him. Perhaps some of the old Bud is still in that decrepit body and he forces the issue, thus pushing Fisher out the door. A man can hope, can't he?!

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I want to be because he's a Titan, but I can't dog Fisher. It just figures that once Bud finally decided to stick with a coach and have some stability in his FO, he'd already moved out of Houston.

That being said, the VY-issue might be the divide between Bud and Fisher. Seriously, Bud seems intent on pushing VY, and from looking on the outside, it does not appear that the coaching staff is all too eager to play him. Perhaps some of the old Bud is still in that decrepit body and he forces the issue, thus pushing Fisher out the door. A man can hope, can't he?!

I don't think Fisher is all that against Young. I think he feels he is not ready. He is going to play with the 1st team on Friday so we will see. Pretty sure Collins will start the season but if he starts taking a dump on the field and Young keeps playing like he did in Tampa I could see a move. Need to see him with the first team though. Young and Britt seem to be on the same page; same with Young and Cook. If he is the QB of the future it is a good thing that he works well with two of our top 3 draft picks.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

He not only put it together he took the team through two moves and a name change and ran it all the way to the Super Bowl. Then for the next three seasons set a record for most wins by a team over a three year span which was eventually beaten by the Colts. In 14 seasons he has only had 4 teams with losing records. Won the division 4 times including a conference championship. He has coached an MVP and dealt with several 1st round busts. All of that and survived a cap purge.

You gotta admit Kubiak could never hope to have such a sweat stash?

No, we don't have to admit anything like that. So far in his head coaching career Kubiak has pretty much matched Fisher step for step. Until he does otherwise you have to admit that Fisher did no better at the same point in his career. You have to admit this because it is fact.

And let me say that if/when Kubiak falls short of one of Fish's accomplishments I'll be the first to say "Well, Kubiak didn't keep up". Until then our coach is no worse than yours was at this point in his career.

I'm off topic again. So what's the subject? Vince got a pair of vintage Oilers pajamas or something?

We know Vince is fired up to wear the Oilers logo. I imagine former Oilers are nauseous at the sight though.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow

I don't think Fisher is all that against Young. I think he feels he is not ready. He is going to play with the 1st team on Friday so we will see. Pretty sure Collins will start the season but if he starts taking a dump on the field and Young keeps playing like he did in Tampa I could see a move. Need to see him with the first team though. Young and Britt seem to be on the same page; same with Young and Cook. If he is the QB of the future it is a good thing that he works well with two of our top 3 draft picks.

Well, I hope you're right. I'd love to see VY starting for your team, because I honestly don't think it would take much to get inside his head and scramble those thoughts around after seeing his meltdown last season. Plus, with his inability to read defenses and appearing to believe that he can win with his athletic abilities over his QB skills, that's just a dandy future to envision.

As if preseason meant anything...

[Hervoyel]

You know all that progress that Vince has been purported to be making? I didn't see a lot of that tonight as he went 3 of 9 for 44 yards and a pick. He looked as lost as he's ever looked to me.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

You know all that progress that Vince has been purported to be making? I didn't see a lot of that tonight as he went 3 of 9 for 44 yards and a pick. He looked as lost as he's ever looked to me.

The entire team looked like crap ...

[Carr Bombed]

Man Vince Young really does suck... I'm glad we dodged that bullet. Remember when we had all those Titan trolls telling us how we'd never live that down? Remember all the Titan trolls who said they owned Austin TX?

Well now Vince Young sucks donkey balls err..um, Sausage (Honestly he's probably the worst backup in the League and they drafted him to start games for them) and Titan games have also been pulled out of Austin this year. LOL, even "VY land" knows he's a bust now.