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Old 07-22-2009   #41
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What the heck has there been to appreciate? The guy gets dogged out by his own coach in press clips and you expect fans to give him a "attaboy" when he's done practically NOTHING during his time here?

While he did have a injury that does require surgery, TJ has done NOTHING here that gives him any kind of benefit of the doubt....maybe if he kept himself in better shape he wouldn't have had this injury or other nicks, strains, and pains, instead he showed up out of shape year after year.
If he's been dealing with a cronic injury for several years it could be an explanation for his conditioning. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying it could be. I'm just making the argument that there could be other factors than the party line that he's a bum. It's entirely possible that he's a bum. It's possible that he's not too. My stance is wait and see. For his sake, I hope he ends up with another team. Then everyone can shift over to Okoye the baby bum. Being a first round DT on this team is going to be a bad position until either 1 we draft one who is dominant or 2 they system allows for them to make plays that give fans a sense of accomplishment other than taking up space.
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If he's been dealing with a cronic injury for several years it could be an explanation for his conditioning. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying it could be. I'm just making the argument that there could be other factors than the party line that he's a bum. It's entirely possible that he's a bum. It's possible that he's not too. My stance is wait and see. For his sake, I hope he ends up with another team. Then everyone can shift over to Okoye the baby bum. Being a first round DT on this team is going to be a bad position until either 1 we draft one who is dominant or 2 they system allows for them to make plays that give fans a sense of accomplishment other than taking up space.
Well that's something we agree on, because I hope he ends up with another team too........just don't know how many of them see him as a starter or woud even be willing to pick him up.

As far as Amobi goes, while he did have a down year last season (and he had a injury too BTW) at the age of 20, I saw more flashes of great play than I've EVER seen out of TJ, so I still hold out hope for Amobi.......especially if we can find someone to stick next to him who can eat up blockers.
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If he's been dealing with a cronic injury for several years it could be an explanation for his conditioning. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying it could be. I'm just making the argument that there could be other factors than the party line that he's a bum. It's entirely possible that he's a bum. It's possible that he's not too. My stance is wait and see. For his sake, I hope he ends up with another team. Then everyone can shift over to Okoye the baby bum. Being a first round DT on this team is going to be a bad position until either 1 we draft one who is dominant or 2 they system allows for them to make plays that give fans a sense of accomplishment other than taking up space.
I disagree with that part. I think being a 1st round DT pick for us would be fine if we hadn't reached on the two we have drafted. I'm a big Okoye fan. He has a lot more upside than TJ. TJ was another one of Casserly's "I'm smarter than everyone else" picks. If we start pressuring the QB w/ TJ in the lineup, I bet the criticism quiets down a whole lot.
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Well that's something we agree on, because I hope he ends up with another team too........just don't know how many of them see him as a starter or woud even be willing to pick him up.

As far as Amobi goes, while he did have a down year last season (and he had a injury too BTW) at the age of 20, I saw more flashes of great play than I've EVER seen out of TJ, so I still hold out hope for Amobi.......especially if we can find someone to stick next to him who can eat up blockers.
For the record I am not dogging Okoye at all. I'm very aware of his injury last year. I was suggesting that if and when TJ is gone it's possoble that Amobi could take his place as the Texans fan favorite 1st round dog in the doghouse. Should Okoye not perform up to his first five games of his rookie season it's conceivable that he will begin to be viewed as a disappointment as well. I believe he has potential. I think injuries are often overlooked. I was making that point directly about TJ. I think it is often overlooked in reference to fans opinion of Ryans' performance as well.

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If we start pressuring the QB w/ TJ in the lineup, I bet the criticism quiets down a whole lot.
I think so too. Success is a magic antidote.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that a "specialist" finally figured out his injury issue, but a sports hernia shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to diagnose (correct me if I'm wrong Cloak).

Yes, I know how bad the surgery and recovery is, two of my closest friends have had the surgery performed.

I'm not into conspiracies, but TJ sure has an interesting track record of "things that come up" right before TC every year.

As a Texans player, I hope he's as healthy as possible and has a great year - I'm not holding my breath though.

I'm w/ Vinny, Deljuan kicked butt last year.
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Well that's something we agree on, because I hope he ends up with another team too........just don't know how many of them see him as a starter or woud even be willing to pick him up.

As far as Amobi goes, while he did have a down year last season (and he had a injury too BTW) at the age of 20, I saw more flashes of great play than I've EVER seen out of TJ, so I still hold out hope for Amobi.......especially if we can find someone to stick next to him who can eat up blockers.
I'll keep saying this but, I don't think we NEED a big cheese burger eating DT on the line. If Okam steps and becomes that guy awesome. What made Amobi such an interesting prospect in the first place wasn't necessarily his strength at the point of attack if was his speed at which he got to the QB.

It just seems brain dead but Richard Smith kept putting guys who had the speed to get to the Qb and break up plays using quickness off the line, instead he was instructing them to be stand up DTs. I hope Frank knows his players strengths miles better then Richard, if not, we're in for along long season on defense.
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If he's been dealing with a cronic injury for several years it could be an explanation for his conditioning. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying it could be. I'm just making the argument that there could be other factors than the party line that he's a bum. It's entirely possible that he's a bum. It's possible that he's not too. My stance is wait and see. For his sake, I hope he ends up with another team. Then everyone can shift over to Okoye the baby bum. Being a first round DT on this team is going to be a bad position until either 1 we draft one who is dominant or 2 they system allows for them to make plays that give fans a sense of accomplishment other than taking up space.
First off i am not knockin TJ because hes not playing at the level of pat williams, or albert haynesworth.....not my issue

I just hate the guys work ethic......he could just be a depth guy for all I care...I just would absolutely love to one time just see this guy take a offseason program serious and come into camp lean and mean, ready to knock some heads around like the rest of our team seem to be doing.....man that would give me goosebumps......but this guy just doesnt seem to get that.

why do we never hear the feel good story about TJ like u get with other guys wanting to go to the next level????....no coach praise nothin....ever


Its not just TJ.......Jacoby jones is right behind him as in unrealized potential and not takin your craft seriously........until recently kubes doghouse was always full with these 2 guys

they both have absolutely to much talent to not be something special on this team.....all they are missing is the hunger and hard work part



well hopefully Jacoby has turned the corner or he will soon be out of work as well as TJ......you can only get so many chances....this is TJ's 5th season so at some point you have peaked and you are what you are.....is that TJ's case??????....remains to be seen, but it dont look good, thats for sure
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First off i am not knockin TJ because hes not playing at the level of pat williams, or albert haynesworth.....not my issue

I just hate the guys work ethic......he could just be a depth guy for all I care...I just would absolutely love to one time just see this guy take a offseason program serious and come into camp lean and mean, ready to knock some heads around like the rest of our team seem to be doing.....man that would give me goosebumps......but this guy just doesnt seem to get that.

why do we never hear the feel good story about TJ like u get with other guys wanting to go to the next level????....no coach praise nothin....ever


Its not just TJ.......Jacoby jones is right behind him as in unrealized potential and not takin your craft seriously........until recently kubes doghouse was always full with these 2 guys

they both have absolutely to much talent to not be something special on this team.....all they are missing is the hunger and hard work part



well hopefully Jacoby has turned the corner or he will soon be out of work as well as TJ......you can only get so many chances....this is TJ's 5th season so at some point you have peaked and you are what you are.....is that TJ's case??????....remains to be seen, but it dont look good, thats for sure
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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that a "specialist" finally figured out his injury issue, but a sports hernia shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to diagnose (correct me if I'm wrong Cloak).

Yes, I know how bad the surgery and recovery is, two of my closest friends have had the surgery performed.

I'm not into conspiracies, but TJ sure has an interesting track record of "things that come up" right before TC every year.

As a Texans player, I hope he's as healthy as possible and has a great year - I'm not holding my breath though.

I'm w/ Vinny, Deljuan kicked butt last year.

Disaacks,

The "sports hernia" was not really recognized until until 1980. It it not a true hernia with a classic defect (hole). It is an abdominal muscle plus or minus adductor tendon weakness. There are no bumps or bulges. It is many times a diagnosis of exclusion. However, most sports medicine physicians keep a high level of suspicion when, the classic symptoms are not accompanied by classic physical findings.

Only an EXTREMELY MOTIVATED ATHLETE will be "road worthy" by 6 weeks.......not a label that I would assign TJ. TJ has always had problems with keeping his weight down. If by 6 weeks we see a player that has hovered around his usual weight, his rehab effort could be determined to be significant. If he returns at that time, after being unable or unwilling to incorporate rigorous aerobic and weight training, he will be most likely be mistaken for a gigantic beach ball accidentally let loose on the football field.

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First off i am not knockin TJ because hes not playing at the level of pat williams, or albert haynesworth.....not my issue

I just hate the guys work ethic......he could just be a depth guy for all I care...I just would absolutely love to one time just see this guy take a offseason program serious and come into camp lean and mean, ready to knock some heads around like the rest of our team seem to be doing.....man that would give me goosebumps......but this guy just doesnt seem to get that.

why do we never hear the feel good story about TJ like u get with other guys wanting to go to the next level????....no coach praise nothin....ever


Its not just TJ.......Jacoby jones is right behind him as in unrealized potential and not takin your craft seriously........until recently kubes doghouse was always full with these 2 guys

they both have absolutely to much talent to not be something special on this team.....all they are missing is the hunger and hard work part



well hopefully Jacoby has turned the corner or he will soon be out of work as well as TJ......you can only get so many chances....this is TJ's 5th season so at some point you have peaked and you are what you are.....is that TJ's case??????....remains to be seen, but it dont look good, thats for sure
Good post. Good points all around. It's one of my favorite things about this team. So many hard working ethical guys. You know, on NFLN the "round table" was discussing Vince Young and what to do with him or what's wrong with him etc. And I think it was Sanders who said something like "There are three types of players in the leauge. One contract guys, Two contract guys and Three contract guys."

Maybe TJ is a 1 contract guy. Maybe he's struggled with chronic injuries and once healthy could be a 2 contract guy.... but maybe he's just a 1'er.
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Can we please cut this guy and get on with our lives. NOTHING i hear from him is good anymore (or at all)
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