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STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 05-01-2004

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Originally Posted by Fiddy

Good point Babin should get double digit sacks, but that makes Suggs' sack number even more impressive.

Suggs is an amazing pass rusher, but he struggles against the run and in coverage.

astrofan · 05-01-2004

Has anyone here ever seen Kevin Greene play?
I was wondering how well he played against the run.
I did look up his numbers and they look like a videogame, especially when you compare him to other top shelf LBs

NoBullTexan · 05-01-2004

Jason Babin, I hate to tell you, runs in the 4.69/4.7 range, which is not too bad. The thing about him is his quickness around the corner. Needs to get stronger in his hands, and lower body.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 05-01-2004

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Originally Posted by NoBullTexan

Jason Babin, I hate to tell you, runs in the 4.69/4.7 range, which is not too bad. The thing about him is his quickness around the corner. Needs to get stronger in his hands, and lower body.

Terrell Suggs timed even slower than that i believe. it was the reason he slipped to the Ravens.

Fiddy · 05-01-2004

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS

Terrell Suggs timed even slower than that i believe. it was the reason he slipped to the Ravens.

That is excatly right

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Suggs was clocked at a sluggish 4.75 seconds for 40 yards, and red flags went up throughout the NFL.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...ll/8501109.htm

Same thing happened to Anquain Boldin

**Vinny** · 05-01-2004

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Originally Posted by NoBullTexan

Needs to get stronger in his hands, and lower body.

Is this a personal observation or is this second hand information?

El Tejano · 05-03-2004

I like the point that was made earlier about how there were no injuries to our D in the first season and our defense was pretty tough then. I too believe that if we can cut down to half the injuries we had last year, we will see some bigger wins this season. I am looking forward to alot of turnovers caused by our defense this year.

SBTexans08 · 05-03-2004

I'm a little discouraged with the depth at our D-Line this year also. Payne and Walker aren't a sure thing. I'd go nuts if either one went down again this season....ARRRGGGGG, the agony it would bring!

TheOgre · 05-03-2004

In reference to the question about Kevin Greene, the guy was good against the run. He pretty much did it all. I still remember when he was with the Steelers and he played against the Oilers. He was always a force.

**gwallaia** · 05-03-2004

I was a big pre-draft supporter of Udeze but when I learned of his shoulder injury and subsequent surgery, I cooled off to the Udeze idea.

dalemurphy · 05-03-2004

I think our depth is going to be good this year... Deloach is a backup this year. We're very deep in solid and/or talented LBs... We've added Robinson and Earl without losing anyone in the secondary. We've added Wade on the OL, Joppru and Bruener at TE, and a healthy Hollings at HB...

Most importantly, many of this year's backups are 2nd and 3rd year players with experience, instead of rookies trying to learn how to play in the NFL:

Faggins, Wand, Weary, Peek, Orr, Ragone, Ramon Walker, Derrick Armstong, Jabar Gaffney, etc... This is the year where we see the fruit of the scouting and coaching labors, or when we see that we're in for a few more difficult seasons.

Blake · 05-03-2004

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I think our depth is going to be good this year... Deloach is a backup this year. We're very deep in solid and/or talented LBs... We've added Robinson and Earl without losing anyone in the secondary. We've added Wade on the OL, Joppru and Bruener at TE, and a healthy Hollings at HB...

Most importantly, many of this year's backups are 2nd and 3rd year players with experience, instead of rookies trying to learn how to play in the NFL:

Faggins, Wand, Weary, Peek, Orr, Ragone, Ramon Walker, Derrick Armstong, Jabar Gaffney, etc... This is the year where we see the fruit of the scouting and coaching labors, or when we see that we're in for a few more difficult seasons.

I like your frame of mind. But every other teams rookies from that year are getting alot better. Hopefully asking them to step up and perform for the last 2 years will help them out this year. Kinda give them the edge.

dalemurphy · 05-04-2004

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Originally Posted by DC_ROCK

I like your frame of mind. But every other teams rookies from that year are getting alot better. Hopefully asking them to step up and perform for the last 2 years will help them out this year. Kinda give them the edge.

Sure, but we are now on par with the rest of the league- instead of having a bench made up of almost entirely journeymen and castoffs... Now, it comes down to the quality of our scouting department in selecting these guys and the quality of our coaching staff in aiding their development. Compare our depth and talent to an average to above average team like the Cowboys:

I'd argue we have a better offensive line, better Qbs, better HBs, similar WR talent, similar DL talent, and more talent and depth in the secondary... Also, they don't blow us away anywhere on the field.

pittbull · 05-04-2004

Alot of experts do not like the picks that we got, after robinson, but I think they are going to work out just fine. We filled some holes and hopefully Coleman can pick up the safety spot really fast. The last thing we need is a Stevens-Type problem back there, due to the guy not being able to make the adjustment! Besides that, Playoffs is not out of the question!

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SBTexans08 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 3rd Coast Age: 33 Posts: 677 Rep Power: 10	I'm a little discouraged with the depth at our D-Line this year also. Payne and Walker aren't a sure thing. I'd go nuts if either one went down again this season....ARRRGGGGG, the agony it would bring! __________________ MY XBOX 360 GAMER PROFILE

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dalemurphy Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin Section: Bullpen/ 636 Age: 39 Posts: 5,165 Rep Power: 10996	depth I think our depth is going to be good this year... Deloach is a backup this year. We're very deep in solid and/or talented LBs... We've added Robinson and Earl without losing anyone in the secondary. We've added Wade on the OL, Joppru and Bruener at TE, and a healthy Hollings at HB... Most importantly, many of this year's backups are 2nd and 3rd year players with experience, instead of rookies trying to learn how to play in the NFL: Faggins, Wand, Weary, Peek, Orr, Ragone, Ramon Walker, Derrick Armstong, Jabar Gaffney, etc... This is the year where we see the fruit of the scouting and coaching labors, or when we see that we're in for a few more difficult seasons.

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pittbull All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston Age: 39 Posts: 532 Rep Power: 10	Alot do not like..... Alot of experts do not like the picks that we got, after robinson, but I think they are going to work out just fine. We filled some holes and hopefully Coleman can pick up the safety spot really fast. The last thing we need is a Stevens-Type problem back there, due to the guy not being able to make the adjustment! Besides that, Playoffs is not out of the question! __________________ The Original, No Duplicating!!!

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05-01-2004	#22
astrofan Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 208 Rep Power: 10	Has anyone here ever seen Kevin Greene play? I was wondering how well he played against the run. I did look up his numbers and they look like a videogame, especially when you compare him to other top shelf LBs

05-01-2004	#23
NoBullTexan Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Jersey Village Age: 76 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 10	Jason Babin, I hate to tell you, runs in the 4.69/4.7 range, which is not too bad. The thing about him is his quickness around the corner. Needs to get stronger in his hands, and lower body.

05-03-2004	#27
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	I like the point that was made earlier about how there were no injuries to our D in the first season and our defense was pretty tough then. I too believe that if we can cut down to half the injuries we had last year, we will see some bigger wins this season. I am looking forward to alot of turnovers caused by our defense this year.

05-03-2004	#29
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	In reference to the question about Kevin Greene, the guy was good against the run. He pretty much did it all. I still remember when he was with the Steelers and he played against the Oilers. He was always a force.

05-03-2004	#30
gwallaia Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 6,760 Rep Power: 22986	I was a big pre-draft supporter of Udeze but when I learned of his shoulder injury and subsequent surgery, I cooled off to the Udeze idea.

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