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Old 05-06-2005   #61
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Follow up on the running on clear passing downs post:

In the last two season DD has run:

4 times on 3rd and 11+ yds
4 times on 3rd and 8-10 yds
13 times on 3rd and 3-7 yds
23 times on 3rd and less than 3

Let's compare David Carr's passing (I'll include David's rushing plays except on less than 3 because they were called passing plays which is the point of the discussion):

59 attempts on 3rd and 11+ yds
56 attempts on 3rd and 8-10 yds
110 attempts on 3rd and 3-7 yds
22 attempts on 3rd and less than 3

So % wise:
3rd and 11+--run 6.3%, pass 93.7%
3rd and 8-10--run 6.7%, pass 93.3%
3rd and 3-7--run 10.5 %, pass 89.5%
3rd and less than 3--run 51%, pass 49%

The only scenario where running plays a significant role on 3rd down is 3rd and less than 3--where, by the way, DD has averaged 6.9 ypc on those plays.
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I know you thrive on stats and maybe some day that will somehow translate
into wins for the Texans! Last year, the Texans were in the bottom half in
the AFC in every major offensive category, a few are
3rd down conversions-11
total offense-11
scoring offense-13
time of possession-11
penalties-11
penalty yards-11

These are just a few and are out of 16 teams. I'm making no claims here
but I do have a lot of time on my hands---you like stats, let's see what I
can find...
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You know what they say - figures lie, and liars figure.

All I can tell you is the anecdotal evidence is that we run a more conservative offense than most. This can be like that for many reasons, some perfectly legit. But, if you are arguing that the Texans run a wide open offense, well see above. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I watch the games, and come away with my own impressions. I don't need a bunch of figures on paper to tell me what I just watched. Nice work though. I owe you some twinkies, and Almond Joy bars.
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You know what they say - figures lie, and liars figure.

All I can tell you is the anecdotal evidence is that we run a more conservative offense than most. This can be like that for many reasons, some perfectly legit. But, if you are arguing that the Texans run a wide open offense, well see above. Stats don't always tell the whole story. I watch the games, and come away with my own impressions. I don't need a bunch of figures on paper to tell me what I just watched. Nice work though. I owe you some twinkies, and Almond Joy bars.
Where did you see anything in what I posted about a wide open offense? It was posited that the Texans ran quite a bit when they should be throwing and the 3rd and 8 scenario was given. Cute quips about stats & figures aside, the answer was zero last year. Really no arguing or interpreting that stat.

Anecdotal evidence and impressions are all well and good, if they are correct. Unfortunately, if you hang out with a bunch of folks giving their impressions or anecdotes that the Texans run every 1st and 2nd down (something disproven after virtually ever game the last two years) you will be misled. Likewise if you listen to all the impressions or anecdotes around here about the Texans running a draw play every 3rd and 8 you'll get misled as well. Just like with stats, anecdotes and impressions have to be cross-checked otherwise you get garbage in=garbage out.

By the way, anecdotally, breast implants and molds cause hundreds of different illnesses. Anecdotally, George Bush kept the columbian drug cartels in business for several years.
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i'll say it again and again we passed on 2 day 2 gems on offensive line with elton brown going in the 4th and chris kemoautua going in the 6th either or both would have helped immensely in the interior part of the line.
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Carr's 1st 8 games 2004
2162yds/9tds/5int/21sacks

Carr's 2nd 8 games 2004
1377yds/7tds/9int/28sacks

-Carr averaged over 270ypg the first half, only 172ypg the second half.
-Carr had more int the 2nd half than TDs
-Carr had about 1 more sack per game the 2nd half, with 16/28 coming
against the Colts(2 games) and Browns
-Carrs lowest yardage out put of the year came against Cleveland (114)

So, why did the offense regress the 2nd half? The thinking on this board
is that the OL will be better this year--maybe it will be--but is that the
whole story here?
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