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Old 04-27-2005   #41
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We are building through the draft not building off the spare parts we recieved in the expansion draft. We will keep the talent we draft eventually replace all the parts we got in the expansion draft.

This is what we call "building a perennial contender" that means a good team for a long time. They have built this team by far much better than the browns.

The browns have yet to produce a 1000 yd rusher we produced that the last 2 years.

The Browns have not sent anyone to the pro-bowl (i think) We sent AJ

The browns have gone thru 3 coaching staffs in 6 years. We havent fired a coach at all.

The Browns best year was a wildcard i believe their record was 9-7 and that was year 4 after that utter disarray.

We are doing this right people lets not cling to these spare parts we are jettisoning just because they were once pro bowlers.
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i like the effort but the fact remains the texans are no closer to the playoffs or the SB than they were in 2002. Casserly has done a terrible job in my view and i know my view is not shared by everyone. Sharper and Glenn were the two most consistent players on D that kept the D together. I like Dunta, AJ and DD but i am not sold on Carr or anyone else he has brought in. I really think the Babin trade and the TJohnson trade have crystalized my view that we need to go the way of the Browns and rebuild with a new GM. We wont be winning the AFC South this yr and i think the playoffs are a reach too.
Who's we kimosabe? You aren't even a Texans fan--you just come here to sow dissension. At least be honest about your affiliation.
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And just how, praytell, are they going to do that? Sure, we all HOPE that the O-Line, having had another year to 'jell' in the Zone-blocking system will improve, but that's an awfully iffy proposition. We wouldn't have tried so hard for O. Pace, if there wasn't a HUGE upside in that equation. .
Deleted most of the post to save space. Just wanted a reference to what I'm talking about.
Our team DID make some huge strides in 2004. When you factor in the fact that we are STILL an expansion team(starting to get out of that mold...maybe the reason for the 5 yr plan?) and that we started practically a new O-line(AND NEW SCHEME), we did "light it up" quite a few times last year. We started this team with everybody elses cast-offs, street FA's and draft picks. As we've been drafting for 4 yrs now, we'v e drastically improved our team. And with 2 more wins(and several near misses), we've improved our standings each year. A lot of people on here seem to be looking for the "home run". Maybe we're asking too much too soon. A lot of teams with MUCH longer histories finished with worse records than us last year. IMHO, the coaching staff has done a great job of fielding a respectable team and is doing a great job of improving the team, while managing the salary cap for future developement.
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Great Point.

Id rather be a perennial playoff team, than 1 superbowl and nothing. Capers made that mistake with carolina. he went for the homerun and got close and then everything fell apart.
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i'm so excited about all the new faces on our team, i got a job where i'm now off on sundays, i saw all the games at my other job, everyone there loves the team, BUT now i can watch the game and relax so happy !! CANT WAIT TILL AUGUST.
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Id rather be a perennial playoff team, than 1 superbowl and nothing. Capers made that mistake with carolina. he went for the homerun and got close and then everything fell apart.
I'm all for that, but first we actually have to MAKE the playoffs.

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Why does everything have to be negative? why dont you just go look at the stats?
Alright, but since we were discussing OFFENSIVE scoring stats, let's be ACCURATE this time, shall we? Mind you, I'm even crediting the offense with the XP after the DEFENSIVE TD.

24 against KC - NOPE - Our OFFENSE only scored 18
30 against Oak - NOPE - Our OFFENSE only scored 24
20 against Jac - NOPE - Our OFFENSE only scored 14
24 agaisnt Chi - NOPE - Our OFFENSE only scored 18
21 against Jac - NOPE - Our OFFENSE only scored 15

This is precisely why Porky and Myself pointed out that our Offense wasn't scaring anyone last year. I'm not even going to get into the late scoring in "garbage time" that skews the stats even further. Until we have better blocking for both our running AND passing game, this team is still gonna be in a world of hurt. I'm truly praying that the "football gods" will shine on our O-Line, because they certainly need some kind of 'divine' inspiration!
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[quote=Porky]That is one of the most convoluted theories I have ever heard. So, you mean to tell me we got rid of Shaper and Glenn because they could only deliver us a mere one or two Superbowls. Well, those losers.

the key word in my original statement is may. go back and read again. the theory is sound, we keep sharper and glenn and we compete for a couple years or we release them and have the opportunity to win more. what don't you understand about the post dude? this is what i said

"keeping guys like glenn and sharper may have gotten us to the superbowl once, maybe twice at the most. that is the five year plan. by adding younger players, it will make it alot easier for the texans to get to more than 1 superbowl"

you should pay attention to keywords like may and at most, not exactly what you said i said. you're criticism is a typical straw man fallacy.

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