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Old 02-16-2009   #21
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If the Fords are truly serious about rebuilding.....you'd think they get the most solid guy they can with the #1 overall and wait on the Qb for the 2010 class. There are two models out there. What San Diego did after the Ryan Leif disaster and what Atlanta did after the Vick disaster. I think the Kipper wives tale that you always draft the franchise Qb first is just that a wives tale.
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I sure do. And the situation with Gallery kinda makes my point for me because he was drafted something like #2 or #3 overall to be the Raiders "francise" LT, yet failed to do so and instead played RT or inside at guard. Anyway, because of his inability to play the all-important position of LT for the Raiders and because he was taken so high, he's been considered one of the biggest Draft busts among OLineman in recent years.
Eric Winston went on the record as saying Gallery's feet were way too small for his frame, causing him to have bad balance, and bad footwork.

On the mock--I don't like Cushing, but I gotta give you props on the Lions pick. Everyone assumes they'll take Matt Stafford when they have bad lines on both sides of the ball.
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Eric Winston went on the record as saying Gallery's feet were way too small for his frame, causing him to have bad balance, and bad footwork.
Had not heard Winstons remarks ? Veeeery interesting.
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I think if Maclin is sitting there at 15, Kubes won't pass him up. Kubiak wanted Ginn and Maclin is just as fast with better catching ability
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Eric Winston went on the record as saying Gallery's feet were way too small for his frame, causing him to have bad balance, and bad footwork.

On the mock--I don't like Cushing, but I gotta give you props on the Lions pick. Everyone assumes they'll take Matt Stafford when they have bad lines on both sides of the ball.
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Apparently Andre Smith has no desire to not be a
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I can't blame him. I really like the 20 yard endzones in the CFL too.
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I agree w/ TTP...I see at least 3 very good qb's comming out of the draft NEXT YEAR and If your picking #1..you better be damn sure this qb class is what you want...I too feel Detroit wont go qb in round 1...they are gonna build in the trenches this year on day 1...Next year they will pull the trigger on their franchise QB.
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I agree w/ TTP...I see at least 3 very good qb's comming out of the draft NEXT YEAR and If your picking #1..you better be damn sure this qb class is what you want...I too feel Detroit wont go qb in round 1...they are gonna build in the trenches this year on day 1...Next year they will pull the trigger on their franchise QB.
They could go Stafford #1 then take Britton at #20 then select the top available DE with their second round pick. Build the trenches and pick up your QB of the future. Sounds like a good start to their draft to me.
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They could go Stafford #1 then take Britton at #20 then select the top available DE with their second round pick. Build the trenches and pick up your QB of the future. Sounds like a good start to their draft to me.
Yeah, going 0-16 was an embarrasment not only for Detroit, but for the whole league...they had so many holes in their boat that it sank right off the dock...their not going to get every problem solved this draft nor the next. I just don't see their new HC being tied to any of this years QB's...it's gonna be the "trenchman" that get the nod early in Detroit this year...Next year..Bradford;McCoy; or Tebow..will be their target...
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Yeah, going 0-16 was an embarrasment not only for Detroit, but for the whole league...they had so many holes in their boat that it sank right off the dock...their not going to get every problem solved this draft nor the next. I just don't see their new HC being tied to any of this years QB's...it's gonna be the "trenchman" that get the nod early in Detroit this year...Next year..Bradford;McCoy; or Tebow..will be their target...
That would be a big turn around for that franchise. I personally think that is what they should do also. They have so many problems they are almost like an expansion team. This is an excelent draft for the trenches. They would be smart to draft their franchise LT of the next ten years and give him a year of experience before drafting a QB. We of all fans know what happens when you draft a QB first overall and dont give him the kind of protection that can allow him to grow.
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not sure its a valid angle here or not? but the #1 overall pick, for now owned by Detroit, will have tremendous expectations from its football team & Lion fans given Detroit historical inept football & hard economic times. Your going to pay that #1 pick millions, so Detorit needs more than just a great player they need a hero to embrace who displays toughness, leadership, hard work & dominance on the football field. seems like too much pressure to place on a rookie QB, can't remember Matt leading Georgia anywhere despite having some talent? Smart money should be to attain a player like Mario Williams (who would still be the dominant prospect in this draft as well) that can be dominant with very low risk, who has great character the team can build around & fans can be proud of

So I figured they needed someone exceptional to build around in the trenches, protect a future franchise QB & improve a poor running game. Andre Smith has failed to deliver, you just don't no-show on the biggest interview of your life letting teammates & fan base down. that's why this was a Pre-Combine Mock Draft, its a fluid ever changing process

Clearly Baylor OT Jason Smith has stepped up to the challenge & replaced Andre as the best OL in this draft. this change will be reflected in my post combine mock draft as greater emphasis must be placed on character & how that fits not only team needs & bpa measureables but also best interest in various NFL cities to make the best combination
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not sure its a valid angle here or not? but the #1 overall pick, for now owned by Detroit, will have tremendous expectations from its football team & Lion fans given Detroit historical inept football & hard economic times. Your going to pay that #1 pick millions, so Detorit needs more than just a great player they need a hero to embrace who displays toughness, leadership, hard work & dominance on the football field. seems like too much pressure to place on a rookie QB, can't remember Matt leading Georgia anywhere despite having some talent? Smart money should be to attain a player like Mario Williams (who would still be the dominant prospect in this draft as well) that can be dominant with very low risk, who has great character the team can build around & fans can be proud of

So I figured they needed someone exceptional to build around in the trenches, protect a future franchise QB & improve a poor running game. Andre Smith has failed to deliver, you just don't no-show on the biggest interview of your life letting teammates & fan base down. that's why this was a Pre-Combine Mock Draft, its a fluid ever changing process

Clearly Baylor OT Jason Smith has stepped up to the challenge & replaced Andre as the best OL in this draft. this change will be reflected in my post combine mock draft as greater emphasis must be placed on character & how that fits not only team needs & bpa measureables but also best interest in various NFL cities to make the best combination
So have you moved Smith ahead of Monroe also? I just havent seen enough of him to make a judgement. I do believe which ever one grades out th best should be the Lions pick. If they go QB they will be committing franchise suicide for the next few years.
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So have you moved Smith ahead of Monroe also? I just havent seen enough of him to make a judgement. I do believe which ever one grades out th best should be the Lions pick. If they go QB they will be committing franchise suicide for the next few years.
Jason Smith was already my #2 prospect. His performance in the weight room (33 reps) answered questions about his strength. almost 34" arm length, very fluid in all skills testing & love his aggressive mind set. Joe Thomas is a great young LT, but Jason looks like he has all the tools to become elite w/higher ceiling.

Monore reminds me more of D'Brickashaw (footwork/strength) played with him too, but lifted only 23 times thats a significant drop-off but still excellent skill set to play LT @ the next level. remains a top 5 pick.
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You're #1 pick is now dropping faster than a hailstone in a Thunderstorm
B-L. Where do you expect him going in your revised mock 2.0 ?
And how about Crabtree after the disclosure of his stress-fracture ?
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You're #1 pick is now dropping faster than a hailstone in a Thunderstorm
B-L. Where do you expect him going in your revised mock 2.0 ?
And how about Crabtree after the disclosure of his stress-fracture ?
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I think Monroe is the more polished prospect, but I think Smith has more potential.
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That would be a big turn around for that franchise. I personally think that is what they should do also. They have so many problems they are almost like an expansion team. This is an excelent draft for the trenches. They would be smart to draft their franchise LT of the next ten years and give him a year of experience before drafting a QB. We of all fans know what happens when you draft a QB first overall and dont give him the kind of protection that can allow him to grow.
You know if they are smart/luck they could rebuild their Oline this year. They could grab Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe at #1, grab the top center in Alex Mack at 20, grab OG Duke Robinson at 33, and then hope Phil Loadholt drops into their first 3rd rounder. If not, they can grab Fenuki Tupou as their RT. Sure this is a bunch of rookies and they will make mistakes. Thats why they keep Orlovski and let him get the tar beaten out of him as this young line starts to gel. Then next draft they grab a QB and let him sit a year behind a Orlovski/FA veteran. That way when the new QB is ready to go, you already have a young OLine that has gelled and is ready to protect him.
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