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Old 01-30-2009   #21
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I might be having a brain fart here, but I have a question for anyone who might know. If a player is franchised but ends up working out a deal a some point during the season. Would he get paid the entire season for the franchised amount? Or would the new deal void the franchise tag and begin as soon as the new deal was struck?

I apologize for the dumb question, but I've been bouncing back and forth from East Texas. I'm trying to revive my brain cells.
If he is franchised then he must be paid the average salary of the top 5 positions (either from the previous year or the current year, dependent on tag), or 120% of his previous salary - whichever is greater. The negotiation is built in to the pending contract, thereby giving some protection to each party in this action.

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There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

It is the team's choice whether it uses an exclusive or a non-exclusive franchise tag. While it may seem that a team would always choose the exclusive option, there are two reasons a team might prefer the non-exclusive option instead. The first is that the salary is based on the top 5 salaries of the previous year instead of the current year, which could be a significant difference. The second reason is that a team may want the opportunity for the two first-round draft picks they would receive if they lost their player.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
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Old 01-30-2009   #22
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If it came down to giving the guy 7.5 million a year for a long term deal or 9+ million for one year, I'm all for the 9.
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If it came down to giving the guy 7.5 million a year for a long term deal or 9+ million for one year, I'm all for the 9.
You have to consider the possibility that Dunta might not return to pre-injury form. His injury is what makes the franchise tag such a viable option. If he had not been injured, the long term deal is a no-brainer. But do you want to give a guy a long term contract if you are not certain that his knee will hold up and his abilities will be restored?

That's what makes the franchise tag so attractive. You might have to overpay some, but overpaying for one year might be worth it if it affords you the opportunity to see if you are getting pre-injury Dunta back or not. If you are, fine, fork out the years and the money. If you feel that you aren't, say thanks and goodbye. What you don't want to do is prematurely fork over a lot of years for a lot of money only to find out that he never fully recovers from his injury.
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U can't nor shouldn't franchise Robinson. He's a good corner, but he's not a great corner. I believe he's anywhere from 8-14. So they shhould start at the 10 spot and go from there not exceeding 6.5m per .
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U can't nor shouldn't franchise Robinson. He's a good corner, but he's not a great corner. I believe he's anywhere from 8-14. So they shhould start at the 10 spot and go from there not exceeding 6.5m per .
While your assessment of his abilities is correct, IMO I fully expect him to be franchised so that they can evaluate him for 1 more year.
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You have to consider the possibility that Dunta might not return to pre-injury form. His injury is what makes the franchise tag such a viable option. If he had not been injured, the long term deal is a no-brainer. But do you want to give a guy a long term contract if you are not certain that his knee will hold up and his abilities will be restored?

That's what makes the franchise tag so attractive. You might have to overpay some, but overpaying for one year might be worth it if it affords you the opportunity to see if you are getting pre-injury Dunta back or not. If you are, fine, fork out the years and the money. If you feel that you aren't, say thanks and goodbye. What you don't want to do is prematurely fork over a lot of years for a lot of money only to find out that he never fully recovers from his injury.
I would rather work with Dunta & his agent & come to some cap friendly, lucrative contract thats a win win for both him & the Texans. He means more than you think to the fans, this team & organization. fortunately both sides know it & should come to a mutally benefical agreement soon. Texans are not the type of organization to slap a franchise tag on one of its team leaders, thats, well just divisive
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I would rather work with Dunta & his agent & come to some cap friendly, lucrative contract thats a win win for both him & the Texans. He means more than you think to the fans, this team & organization. fortunately both sides know it & should come to a mutally benefical agreement soon. Texans are not the type of organization to slap a franchise tag on one of its team leaders, thats, well just divisive
It can be divisive, but at the same time it can also serve as a motivator. The player is getting paid more than what he made the previous season, and he's playing for a huge payday (possibly).

I mean, if Dunta gets franchised, do you think he'd purposefully play badly just to spite the Texans?

On the flipside, if he plays great I'm sure Bob McNair will do his best Teddy KGB impression and say:

"Pay that man his money."
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The biggest complaint I hear about using the franchise tag on Robinson is that there is no way he is worth a top five salary. These people are completely missing the point of the modern use of the designation.

Once believed to be used on just on a team’s best player (think John Elway, Peyton Manning), now it is used as a vehicle for keeping really good players like Robinson on the roster, injury or not. Look no further than Julius Peppers in Carolina as an example of this. Peppers, also scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent this offseason, really might be worth a top 5 income, but since he earns one already, a franchise tag for him would actually come at a 20 percent increase on top of his already rich 2008 salary cap figure. Franchise tags are way too expensive on players like Peppers many fans think are the ones that should be getting them.

So forget thinking about whether Robinson is worth top five money and start thinking a little more like business owner. You can either pay your employee for one year at $9.957 million (actually paid to him in 17 weekly installments for each week of the regular season), and evaluate afterward if he is worthy of a substantial long-term contract. Or you can pay him as much as double that figure in salary and up-front bonus in a multi-year contract still not knowing what type of return to expect.

A middle ground exists. Perhaps Robinson and the Texans can agree to make much of the guarantees as an option or roster bonus payable after the 2009 season. That still shifts risk back to the player, but it would be less risky than simply accepting a franchise tag tender.
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If we re-sign (thanks Pappa) DR to a long term contract & he is unable to make it back to his pre- injury form then we have wasted money. IMO the price of leadership is alot less than 10 mil. a year.

Being a fan favorite is great I like him too but not @ 10 mil a year. You could use that kind of money to get an elite DL (Albert or Peppers) & draft a CB early in the draft. With the 10 mil you would save on DR & the rest of the cap space we have you could sign Peppers-Albert & sign a good CB like McAlister, Lucas or McFadden.

Ownership is in a good position on this one. I hope DR is resonable with his demands otherwise we should let him walk. If the fan base doesn't put to much pressure on ownership with the team leader- fan favorite crap we should come out smelling like a rose.

Fans should know that if DR leaves that new team leaders will step up. Who's to say that we will not sign or draft someone who will become a team leader.

With that said I want ownership to re-sign him but not @ any cost.

It's personal just business.
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If we re-sign (thanks Pappa) DR to a long term contract & he is unable to make it back to his pre- injury form then we have wasted money. IMO the price of leadership is alot less than 10 mil. a year.

Being a fan favorite is great I like him too but not @ 10 mil a year. You could use that kind of money to get an elite DL (Albert or Peppers) & draft a CB early in the draft. With the 10 mil you would save on DR & the rest of the cap space we have you could sign Peppers-Albert & sign a good CB like McAlister, Lucas or McFadden.

Ownership is in a good position on this one. I hope DR is resonable with his demands otherwise we should let him walk. If the fan base doesn't put to much pressure on ownership with the team leader- fan favorite crap we should come out smelling like a rose.

Fans should know that if DR leaves that new team leaders will step up. Who's to say that we will not sign or draft someone who will become a team leader.

With that said I want ownership to re-sign him but not @ any cost.

It's personal just business.
You might want to do some fact-checking:

http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/s...s_peppers.html
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However, because of Peppers’ lofty market value, he’s expected to become the highest paid defensive player in league history with a multi-year deal averaging at least $13 million per season.

Franchising Peppers without a new contract would require the Panthers to pay him around $17 million for the 2009 season.
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Haynesworth wants the biggest defensive contract ever and is willing to wait for it. As far as Dunta goes he has stated he wants a long term fair market deal and does not want to be franchised. Both sides should be able to get close enough to fair market value that they can fill in the gap with stipulations(salary escalators, bonuses, penalties, and etc.). It's not as cut and dry as it's made out to be. All GM's should be creative writing majors.
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It can be divisive, but at the same time it can also serve as a motivator. The player is getting paid more than what he made the previous season, and he's playing for a huge payday (possibly).

I mean, if Dunta gets franchised, do you think he'd purposefully play badly just to spite the Texans?
No I do not think he will intentionally play badly, but he has already expressed that he does not want to be franchised. The last player who wants to be franchised is thy guy coming off an injury--it could be one year and done. He wants a long term deal with guarantees in excess of the franchise number.
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