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Old 01-24-2009   #21
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I would love to see us trade Weaver to a needy 3-4 team. If we cant get a deal with Dunta then F tag him and include it into a trade package for said 3-4 teams 1st and go after Davis and a DE. I know that wouldnt happen at all , but hey it would give us a D-line man worth something and another 1st rd CB. I also would like to take a run at Elvis Dumervil since the Broncos are going for a 3-4 and he could play OLB in that D or DE in our 4-3, but we could also trade Weaver for him.
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I would love to see us trade Weaver to a needy 3-4 team. If we cant get a deal with Dunta then F tag him and include it into a trade package for said 3-4 teams 1st and go after Davis and a DE. I know that wouldnt happen at all , but hey it would give us a D-line man worth something and another 1st rd CB. I also would like to take a run at Elvis Dumervil since the Broncos are going for a 3-4 and he could play OLB in that D or DE in our 4-3, but we could also trade Weaver for him.
Something that must be considered when talking about trades is that both teams must want to make the trade for it to happen.

Having said that, tell me who is going to trade for Anthony Weaver, especially when you consider his contract?

I'll answer it for you. No one.

Likewise, the Texans do not want to trade Dunta.

Here you have a player, Dunta, that has always been well liked by his teammates and looked to as a leader, that worked so hard to be able to come back from a devastating injury to help the team as soon as he possibly could, and you are going to reward his effort by trading him away.

That would destroy the locker room.

Thankfully, this is not the manner in which the Texans organization is run. On the contrary, when a Texan performs well and comes up for free agency or is getting close to becoming a free agent, the Texans orginization pays them well.

That sends a message: Perform well and the orginizatin will take care of you.

That's the kind of message you want to send your players, for it inspires them to perform their best, which in turn leads to the team winning.

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umm sorry to break it to you but weaver has no trade value
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I believe Weaver's trade value was the reason he said it would have to be with a 3-4 team. No 4-3 team other than the Houston Texans would be interested in him at all. Possibly a 3-4 team would think he may be a diamond in the rough.

He also mentions signing Dunta, then packaging Dunta with Weaver, to make that trade more inticing.

However, for that to work for the Texans, it would have to be a "trade away from Houston" friendly contract, and I can't see that with the franchise tag.

Now we all agree that we paid way too much for Weaver. IMHO, his contract was the last mistake by the Casserly regime..... it was the first contract he authored with Kubiak as our headcoach. We've not signed any similarly bad contracts since then. Hopefully, we won't ever again.

We've got scouts employed by the Houston Texans, who should have a very, very good idea of what a player can bring to our team, and what that contribution should be worth to our team.

No we can all agree that there are questions as to Weaver's worth to this team. Some says he doesn't bring what his contract demands. He has no sacks to speak of. All he does is tie up blockers.

But when we signed him, he immediately became the veteran presence and influence of our front four. He is our anchor, our mentor, and our "leader" on the D-Line.

So it is with Dunta. He isn't and never has been a "Cover Corner". He is a sure tackler, and he is/was the best CB in run support.

His biggest and best contribution is in the locker room & on the sidelines.

Our pesonel department has to determine what that is worth to the team.

To franchise him, you've got to put him on the field, more times than not..... like Weaver.

Unless we go to a primarily a nickel package, I can't see that happening. I can't see putting him ahead of Reeves(who has been our best corner since we lost Glen) or Bennet(who we hope to be much improved). Then we've got Molden who also shows some promise.

Don't get me wrong, I still hope we draft a Corner in the first round. A starter. While I think our best corners are Reeves & Bennett, I don't believe we have a #1 on this team. With or without Dunta.

& I in no way want to jepordize our ability to sign one, by overpaying for a cheerleader.
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There is no market for Weaver. You can't be a "diamond in the rough" when you are almost 30, making north of $4 million a year, and don't perform on the field. The only way to get rid of him is to cut him and take the cap hit or bury him on the depth chart and let him walk when the contract runs out. There are to many other free agents out there to go after for a team to try and trade for Weaver, when he has no upside.
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SI says that Dunta could be a FA


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ay4/index.html
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umm sorry to break it to you but weaver has no trade value
Possibly the worst player to have on our roster, considering his salary and lack of trade value.

This might be right up there with Ahman Green or Eric Moulds.
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Not at all, and you are not focusing on the big picture if you keep staring at Travis Johnson. Stop looking at him.

This team needs a consistant pass rush. They don't have that, and they've never had that, and until they get it, you can forget about them staking the next step.

If the D-line is not getting it done, you draft and draft and draft and draft and draft, and then you draft some more until you get it right. When this team gets a pass rush, a consistant pass rush, . . . I said a consistant pass rush, you'll find out then how good the linebackers, and DBs are.
Yeah, this line of thinking has done wonders for the Lions' WR situation.

We have to go BPA on defense regardless of what position it is. If that's a Safety, take him. If that's a LB, take him. If that's a CB, take him. If it's a DL, take him. But I don't want us taking a DL just because we want to get cute and try to have all first-rounders on the line.

Take the guy still available, on defense, who is BPA.
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We have to go BPA on defense regardless of what position it is. If that's a Safety, take him. If that's a LB, take him. If that's a CB, take him. If it's a DL, take him. But I don't want us taking a DL just because we want to get cute and try to have all first-rounders on the line.

Take the guy still available, on defense, who is BPA.
I'll go along with that. But if the BPA is a DL, you take him. You don't concern yourself about the fact that you got 1st rounders there already, or you're not "sharing the wealth".

I'm sure the front office won't concern themselves with that, but I can hear all the crying already if they take another DL, just mark my word.
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It would seem the Texans are still a team in transition. the offense looks fixed basicly with key addtions always needed for depth & improvement, but changes are now coming from the defensive side & the coaching changes will be the key factor driving this transition.

We have our key DL player in Mario. the Texans need to lock him up to a big fat long term contract & thats a huge well deserved chunk of salary cap.

DeMeco is also in the same boat, equally valued he should also be taken care of long term.

Dunta Robinson will be a free agent unless the two sides can agree on a new contract. I hope this happens.

Looking @ ball park off the wall numbers thats gotta be close to 30 million a year for three players on defense alone. the only area on defense that has been neglected is the safety position. what has been the Texans total investment here? no #1's I can tell you that... CC Brown the stater until hurt is a free agent do the Texans re-sign him & how much is he worth? the rest are all un restricted free agent signees, or late round picks. pretty plain to see the major element missing from this defense is at the Safety position so yeah I do think it matters, it matters alot. that being said you should never let it force your hand but I think their are some nice additions that can be made to really help this team transition into a more intimdating, aggressive defensive force to be reckon'ed with
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We have our key DL player in Mario. the Texans need to lock him up to a big fat long term contract & thats a huge well deserved chunk of salary cap.

DeMeco is also in the same boat, equally valued he should also be taken care of long term.
Demeco and Mario aren't in the same boat.

Mario signed a 6-year contract when he came out, so we have him locked up until after the 2011 season. I'm sure we'll want to renew him a year or two early, but three years is too soon - even for someone like Mario (Especially when he's already making #1 pick money) (And even more especially when a year from now, you'll be dealing with an uncapped year and/or a new CBA).

DeMeco's a completely different story - he's up after next year. I know that getting him re-upped this offseason is one of the highest priorities for Smith and Kubiak - just as it should be.
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