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Old 01-07-2009   #21
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I would trade the house! You can't pass on a guy like that. If we are willing to give away picks for Schaub, why would they not want to give up picks for a 6'3", 225lbs, 4.28- 40, heat seeking rocket!
Not just no, but hell no. FYI--the 2 picks the Texans gave up to Schaub don't equal their 1st round pick much less their 1st round pick plus more picks to move up.
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I want to be excited about Mays, but I keep hearing noise about him not being that good in pass coverage. We've already had a couple of safeties who were really good at stopping the run, and really bad at pass coverage.

Not that Mays would be really bad at coverage - I'm just kind of scared.

Plus - I'm a big subscriber to the thought that you build defense from the front back. It's not like we only have one hole on the d-line... we have at LEAST two, possibly three if Okoye doesn't get his butt in gear.

I dunno. I'm really torn. We could get a REALLY nice player at 15... but we may also trade down again.
I'm right there with ya, Diehard. I've always felt that the game is won in the trenches. I also understand we've spent multiple 1st round picks along the Dline, but it ain't finished yet.

Personally, I'd go with the BPA at DE, OLB and DT in the 1st 3 rounds.
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Some guys on the list of Taylor Mays' KO victims are fairly big.

Cameron Morrah TE, 6-4 245 lbs
Nyan Boatang WR, 6-2 210 lbs
Craig Stevens, TE, 6-4, 254 lbs (3rd pick Titans, #85 overall)
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I think Mays would be a great addition (see signature) but no way in hell would I give up picks to trade up to get him. If someone takes him before us, that just means someone else is going to drop in our laps. My perfect offseason (other than Asomoghu or Haynesworth signing *unrealistic*) would be to lure Ray Lewis to come in and play LB for us and bring a soul to our defense and then draft Mays to add another layer of pain.

Personally, I think Rey Maleauga(sic) would be a great addition and there is a better shot at Rey at #15 than Mays at #15. It all depends on the combine anyways. Our best bet is that as many QBs as possible come out in this draft and hopefully get drafted pre #15. I think there is already a decent shot that 3 QBs will be taken pre #15...Flacco and Ryan's quality play could help us have a QB happy 1st Round and that is a good thing.

as for Denver drafting Mays, I could see it happen but I would imagine they make be looking for a DL. Their recent experiments at DL have not worked out and the new regime is probably going to want to fix that situation immediately.
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What's wrong with moving back and picking up William Moore? Look at the Texans recent draft history. We always make the best picks in the middle rounds. I say trade back if we can and pick up some OL help and a compliment to Slaton.

Mays may be a good player...
But I want MOORE in '09!
(as in William Moore and more draft picks if y'all didn't catch it)
I like your campaign's tagline 'I Want MOORE in '09'
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I think Mays would be a great addition (see signature) but no way in hell would I give up picks to trade up to get him. If someone takes him before us, that just means someone else is going to drop in our laps. My perfect offseason (other than Asomoghu or Haynesworth signing *unrealistic*) would be to lure Ray Lewis to come in and play LB for us and bring a soul to our defense and then draft Mays to add another layer of pain.

Personally, I think Rey Maleauga(sic) would be a great addition and there is a better shot at Rey at #15 than Mays at #15. It all depends on the combine anyways. Our best bet is that as many QBs as possible come out in this draft and hopefully get drafted pre #15. I think there is already a decent shot that 3 QBs will be taken pre #15...Flacco and Ryan's quality play could help us have a QB happy 1st Round and that is a good thing.

as for Denver drafting Mays, I could see it happen but I would imagine they make be looking for a DL. Their recent experiments at DL have not worked out and the new regime is probably going to want to fix that situation immediately.
Interesting scenarios that you just proposed.

I would love to have Maleauga but doesn't he play the same position that Demeco does? IF we did grab him would we move him or Demeco? Would that be probable? Curry would be a nice guy to have as well. I wouldn't mind if we spent that first pick on either one of those LB's.

Ray Lewis coming here? That is a dream and you know that won't happen. I think that we would have a better shot at Suggs.

You could be right about Denver going DL though. They were atrocious this year up front on D. I hadn't thought about that.
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Looked at a few highlight reels for Mays and I don't like to watch USC football really. What stands out is he kid can lay the wood but what concerns me is he big hit without wrapping up. Definitely has speed to burn but I only saw one pick and not enough in coverage. We could get Mays at 15 unless him combine numbers blow his status up like Landry's did. Moore might slip down into the second and I'd like to pick him up if he does. However, I think the value for this defense,barring a DC that great with secondary players(McDermot,Gray) is at OLB.

Duna's return made an impact in how much the staff probably trusted the secondary more but Adibi's speed at LB IMO made the bigger impact. Could use one more on the opposite side of Demeco.
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Safeties play all over the field, so I dont really think offenses purposely avoid him. Again, 4 picks in 3 years. One year he had no interceptions all year long.

This team needs turnovers just as badly as it needs someone to play solid defense. This guy looks like a beast, but he's not a centerfielder. He's not a ballhawk. If we have to trade or find a FA so be it, if this guy can be coached up, so be it. But I'm ready for a true FS back there
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I agree about his stats, but stats can lie. Why would you throw in the direction of a guy that talented? Sometimes your stats are horrible, due to no one challenging you. He does have some limitations in coverage, but he's there to challenge the WR's and TE's, not stay in their back pocket. He's no Ed Reid or Palamalu, but he's not Roy Williams Either! Can you imagine bringing him in the box on run situations also? My oh my....the packages that can be run!
You could say the same about Sean Taylor. He was obviously a huge ballhawk going into his junior (and final) year with the Hurricanes when he was in college. Why would you think about throwing at him? He still managed 10 interceptions that season, and made much, much more plays than Mays did this year, or in any year. Same goes for Ed Reed, he was a huge ballhawk throughout his college career, but still managed to get the picks year in and year out. And he does it in the NFL pretty much EVERY year.

I think INT stats lie, to an extent. You either get them or you don't. It's not like a touchdown where you have to have your whole offense on the same page. An INT is just a guy using instincts to be where the ball will be and having the ability to come down with it.

I just don't think Mays is a ballhawk. I see him being like John Lynch as you, pittbull3, said in the OP. John Lynch is probably the best comparison I have seen of him yet.

If you want a run stopping enforcer who closes on the ballcarrier extremely fast than Mays is what you want. I'm not sure he is the ballhawk we are all looking for.

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I like the idea of Rey Maualuga(sp?) at SLB. He is a good blitzer, something we need from our LBs, and he is a big dude. Our LBers aren't all that big, and Rey would add some bulk to the 2nd line of our defense.
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Duna's return made an impact in how much the staff probably trusted the secondary more but Adibi's speed at LB IMO made the bigger impact. Could use one more on the opposite side of Demeco.
This got me thinking with Mays size and speed could he play some LB? I mean if the main negative on him is that hes not a ballhawk, why not move him down to LB. Seems like an easier transition than going from LB to safety (if you have the size). Could you imagine having a OLB with 4.3 speed.



To bad he probably wont be there when we pick.
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I'm not sure he is the ballhawk we are all looking for.

JMO
The questoin is ..... Are we (Smithiak) looking for a ballhawke?? Hopefully when the new DC comes in that part of our history will change.
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I am all on this bandwagon.

He is just the guy we need back there.
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Because we have other needs other than safety. We can't trade away picksto fill one need when those other picks could help us as well
No doubt about other needs, but this may be the year to use $$$ on secure free agents. I personally would take a strong look at Bart Scott. The Ravens can't pay Suggs, Scott, and Lewis in this year! He'll be available. Would be a great SLB pick-up. Trading picks for a bonified player is a wash! Money will be freed up with Salaam, Green, and Weaver being let go, along with the cap going up $7mil.! Add a new D-coordinator and scheme, and the Texans needs may not be as evident as most think.
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What's wrong with moving back and picking up William Moore? Look at the Texans recent draft history. We always make the best picks in the middle rounds. I say trade back if we can and pick up some OL help and a compliment to Slaton.

Mays may be a good player...
But I want MOORE in '09!
(as in William Moore and more draft picks if y'all didn't catch it)
Moore is no Taylor Mays. Size, strength, and speed. All the edges go to Mays. The Texans don't just need players, but they also need attitude changes and proven winners. Missouri? I don't think so. USC.....YEP!
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Not just no, but hell no. FYI--the 2 picks the Texans gave up to Schaub don't equal their 1st round pick much less their 1st round pick plus more picks to move up.
They need winners, not picks. The Texans have a good nucleus, with talent. There are just a few holes that need to be plugged. Safety, OLB, and a D-Coordniator with some guts. Add Mays, Bart Scott in Free Agency, and a top flight veteran D-Coord, and we could be in much better shape!
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Interesting scenarios that you just proposed.

I would love to have Maleauga but doesn't he play the same position that Demeco does? IF we did grab him would we move him or Demeco? Would that be probable? Curry would be a nice guy to have as well. I wouldn't mind if we spent that first pick on either one of those LB's.

Ray Lewis coming here? That is a dream and you know that won't happen. I think that we would have a better shot at Suggs.

You could be right about Denver going DL though. They were atrocious this year up front on D. I hadn't thought about that.
I would see Ray going to SLB. Has more coverage skills than DeMeco and Ryans is solidified as a NFL MLB. Why sscrew with it. Bart Scott is also a FA.
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This got me thinking with Mays size and speed could he play some LB? I mean if the main negative on him is that hes not a ballhawk, why not move him down to LB. Seems like an easier transition than going from LB to safety (if you have the size). Could you imagine having a OLB with 4.3 speed.



To bad he probably wont be there when we pick.
Many think other teams may try to move him. But why? Bring him in the box like Sanders or Dawkins in Philly. Let him lay the boom! Coverage becomes alot easy when guys get Alligator arms! Ask anyWR in the NFL!!!....LOL
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The LB I personally want is Karlos Dansby from the Cards. I really hope they can't work out a deal. Dansby was around when Frank Bush was in Arizona so who knows.
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The LB I personally want is Karlos Dansby from the Cards. I really hope they can't work out a deal. Dansby was around when Frank Bush was in Arizona so who knows.
Dansby sounds good to me too. The Texans are going to exercise money or a FA LB. They can't wait for guys like Adibi and Diles to become elite LB's. Greenwood is gone! Bentley is depth. The the division will sway even faster when Dungy calls it quits, Vince goes back to QB in Tennessee, and the Jags continue to bounce up and down! This is the year to make our move.
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