So who wants Kubiak fired, and why?

[Tedc]

I have said it from the beginning: Kubes needs to get his nose out of the plays and let Shanny Jr. call the game.

As head coach he needs to manage the clock, time outs, refs, and players.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Tedc

I have said it from the beginning: Kubes needs to get his nose out of the plays and let Shanny Jr. call the game.

As head coach he needs to manage the clock, time outs, refs, and players.

The SportsRadio 610 guys asked Kubiak about that during yesterday's Kubiak show. He wouldn't come right out and say it, but I think we'll see more of him letting Kyle call the plays next year and him being more head coach and less defensive coordinator. Kubiak even admitted that playcalling - when he was immersed in it - sometimes got personal and the other phases of being a head coach suffered for it. I think we just saw another step in the Kubiak maturation process.

As someone who had to turn over a previous position in order to move up, I know how hard it is to let go of something you've been doing for a good, long while and was pretty good at doing and turn it over to a successor; moving out of one's comfort zone ain't easy. It was hard not to step in - still is sometimes - because you see things that should be done and know how you'd do them. I still have to remind myself "that's not your job anymore, let him handle it". Its a control freak thing.

[GP]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

The SportsRadio 610 guys asked Kubiak about that during yesterday's Kubiak show. He wouldn't come right out and say it, but I think we'll see more of him letting Kyle call the plays next year and him being more head coach and less defensive coordinator. Kubiak even admitted that playcalling - when he was immersed in it - sometimes got personal and the other phases of being a head coach suffered for it. I think we just saw another step in the Kubiak maturation process.

As someone who had to turn over a previous position in order to move up, I know how hard it is to let go of something you've been doing for a good, long while and was pretty good at doing and turn it over to a successor; moving out of one's comfort zone ain't easy. It was hard not to step in - still is sometimes - because you see things that should be done and know how you'd do them. I still have to remind myself "that's not your job anymore, let him handle it". Its a control freak thing.

I think that's exactly what it is with Gary. You summed it up perfectly.

He has been calling the plays for so long, and he's having a hard time letting it go. It's natural. But if he has come right out and stated that Kyle called all the plays, you can bet that there has been a realization by Gary that he knows he's going to have to trust Kyle with that role.

Makes you wonder what might have been, had Gary chosen at the start of the season to let Kyle do what he was hired to do. It must have been a constant struggle between them all season, with the last game being the "Alright, here ya' go. You call the shots, Kyle" sort of deal.

So now we have closure on offense. What the crap has been going on in the defense? What's the story behind our two-faced defensive playcalling? There's an issue there: On our winning streak, we were aggressive...at Oakland it looked like it had in the past. And then vs. Bears it was back to being aggressive again.

[HOU-TEX]

Kinda off-topic, but I was under the assumption Gibbs had signed a two year contract. Kubiak said his contract was up in Febuary. WTF is up with that?

The Oline is NOT finished yet, Gibbs! Go home and get your rest, then get your ass back here to re-sign another deal. Dadgummit!!

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Kinda off-topic, but I was under the assumption Gibbs had signed a two year contract. Kubiak said his contract was up in Febuary. WTF is up with that?

The Oline is NOT finished yet, Gibbs! Go home and get your rest, then get your ass back here to re-sign another deal. Dadgummit!!

Yeah, I heard that too. I got a feeling the Angry Cherokee will be back for at least one more year. I think it was Rhodes that Kubiak said was under contract - as a consultant - for two years.

[ubecool454]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Here's your thread to get it all out on the head coach. Keep this thread about Kubiak and Kubiak only.

This is one silly thread and I can't believe it has gone this long

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Kinda off-topic, but I was under the assumption Gibbs had signed a two year contract. Kubiak said his contract was up in Febuary. WTF is up with that?

The Oline is NOT finished yet, Gibbs! Go home and get your rest, then get your ass back here to re-sign another deal. Dadgummit!!

Hell, I'll even pitch in on the extra oxygen tanks and IV's if I have to.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Hell, I'll even pitch in on the extra oxygen tanks and IV's if I have to.

I'd pitch in on the purchase of a pimped out golf cart he could truck around in during camps.

Either way, the sawed-off little firecracker needs to finish his job.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I have one question before I cast my "yay" or "nay" in support of Kubiak:

Will Bill Parcells be available next year for our GM position?

If the team sells he's due to get a twelve million dollar buy out. My guess....this team is his baby. He's built it literally from scratch. Twelve million or not....Parcells has money. I doubt he walks away and pitches his baby onto the side walk in the rain watchin other people stomp it to death.

I don't think he could stand that. Not even for 12 mill.

If I'm a gazillion heir buying a franchise, I give the guy a very small chunk of the team for him to stay.

But ,...........he does have the clause in the contract.

[threetoedpete]

Just thought of something else. Highly unlikely that Parcells comes here....but the irony of it would be we would then have a 3-4 GM picking players for a four three WCO GURU. The exact opposite of what we had when we started with Capers and Casserly. Come full circle as it were on the road to mediocrity.

Some might hunger for that I suppose.

[IlliniJen]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

The SportsRadio 610 guys asked Kubiak about that during yesterday's Kubiak show. He wouldn't come right out and say it, but I think we'll see more of him letting Kyle call the plays next year and him being more head coach and less defensive coordinator. Kubiak even admitted that playcalling - when he was immersed in it - sometimes got personal and the other phases of being a head coach suffered for it. I think we just saw another step in the Kubiak maturation process.

As someone who had to turn over a previous position in order to move up, I know how hard it is to let go of something you've been doing for a good, long while and was pretty good at doing and turn it over to a successor; moving out of one's comfort zone ain't easy. It was hard not to step in - still is sometimes - because you see things that should be done and know how you'd do them. I still have to remind myself "that's not your job anymore, let him handle it". Its a control freak thing.

I hope it's true that they give Mini Shanny the offense more next season because I have to say I was impressed with the way the offense moved the ball AND CONVERTED IN THE RZ in that last game.

If Kubes can relent on feeling the need to be the OC during games, then perhaps he is learning and can work on the things a HC is responsible for, like preparation and making good in-game decisions and clock management.

I still want him fired, but I'm relenting a little.

I will be less grumbly going into next season if we seek out a DC from outside the organization. I'm not at all convinced that promoting Bush is a good idea and I really believe we need new blood and a new attitude on the defensive coaching side. But only three folks were fired today, so I'm getting that sinking feeling that we're going to promote from within. Sigh.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by IlliniJen

I hope it's true that they give Mini Shanny the offense more next season because I have to say I was impressed with the way the offense moved the ball AND CONVERTED IN THE RZ in that last game.

If Kubes can relent on feeling the need to be the OC during games, then perhaps he is learning and can work on the things a HC is responsible for, like preparation and making good in-game decisions and clock management.

I still want him fired, but I'm relenting a little.

I will be less grumbly going into next season if we seek out a DC from outside the organization. I'm not at all convinced that promoting Bush is a good idea and I really believe we need new blood and a new attitude on the defensive coaching side. But only three folks were fired today, so I'm getting that sinking feeling that we're going to promote from within. Sigh.

Agreed. Another good post from you Illiijen. You're on a roll. If only we could carry this onto the political threads.

[IlliniJen]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Agreed. Another good post from you Illiijen. You're on a roll. If only we could carry this onto the political threads.

You just need to come to the dark side of godless progressiveness.

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by ubecool454

This is one silly thread and I can't believe it has gone this long

I don't think it's been a silly one at all, and I would say that even if I hadn't created it. Thsi thread was one of those (or at least I hadn't intended it to be) typical knee-jerk "Fire Kubiak" threads that we all expect everytime the team loses. I created it after the season was over, and more importantly, after they WON.

I wanted feedback about just how everyone felt about Kubiak himself . . . those conditions.

And it's been a fantastic read. Thanks everyone for particapating.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Thanks everyone for particapating.

I usually don't particapate in public.

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Thorn

I usually don't particapate in public.

Jeeez, can't spell worth a dang.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Jeeez, can't spell worth a dang.

I'm just as bad. But I couldn't leave that one alone. LOL

No offense intended.