Super Mario's December Texans Mock

[Blake]

Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

I don't think this is a possible draft, and here is why with a few quick notes. First, you don't get to cherry pick. That is done the day after. Teams can't cherry pick. Mays would be a good pick. Brown would be a good pick at that range, though he will be a 3-4 OLB. Brown is, by all indications, going to go higher than that. Pretty much everyone else you have listed will go a round or so earlier than you have down. Also, Wilson will go higher than Round 7. He's a proven SEC QB from a successful program with a great coach.

I guess it just irks me that you call this a Texans mock. Call it a wish list, or a dream draft, or a cherry pickers fantasy. It kind of demeans what some of us actually try to do every year. It demeans what I hope to do for a living.

Wow. You need to relax. I feel sorry for you if you feel like my thread demeans your hopes and dreams.

[YoungTexanFan]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Wow. You need to relax. I feel sorry for you if you feel like my thread demeans your hopes and dreams.

It's cool. I was stressing out last night getting some last minute stuff before my girlfriend flies in today. All is well. Carry on.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

It's a pretty optimistic draft which means being critical is like complaining that the Victoria's Secrets models can't cook .

Like Max Unger, a guy reported to be able to back up or challenge for three out of five spots on the o-line making past the fifties ?

We got it YTF, you don't like Mizzu.

I thought the punt return last night was pretty impressive. Not saying I'd take him with a one. But if he fell.....hard for Kubiak to resist the guy. Especially with Walters coming up after next year. Just figuring....they can bang one of Owens or Walter....not both in 2010. I've been looking for a replace Marvin Canidate for a few years now in Indi. This guy, Maklin might be it.

[YoungTexanFan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

I've been looking for a replace Marvin Canidate for a few years now in Indi. This guy, Maklin might be it.

How is he like Marvin at all? Maclin is a pure speed guy. He is shifty and a threat to score in the open field. He can take it 80 yards on any given play. Harrison isn't a burner and relies on being able to find the soft spot in zones and run percise routes. Harrison relies on using exception body control and his great hands. Maclin relies on his track speed and a spread offense. If you pay attention to Mizzou's offense, a lot of the plays for Maclin are jailbreak screens or 3 yard slants. The thinking is that if you put the ball in his hands, he can beat any college LB 10 yards. Maybe you just meant a guy who can replace Marvin Harrison simply by taking his snaps, because Maclin and Harrison couldn't be further apart as players. Essentially, everything that Harrison has made his name doing is what Maclin has struggled to do. The reason you know Maclin's name is because he does nothing that Harrison does. This isn't a Mizzou bash. You could have said the same about Harvin, though he is more of an actual reciever, but in the same grouping.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

How is he like Marvin at all? Maclin is a pure speed guy. He is shifty and a threat to score in the open field. He can take it 80 yards on any given play. Harrison isn't a burner and relies on being able to find the soft spot in zones and run percise routes. Harrison relies on using exception body control and his great hands. Maclin relies on his track speed and a spread offense. If you pay attention to Mizzou's offense, a lot of the plays for Maclin are jailbreak screens or 3 yard slants. The thinking is that if you put the ball in his hands, he can beat any college LB 10 yards. Maybe you just meant a guy who can replace Marvin Harrison simply by taking his snaps, because Maclin and Harrison couldn't be further apart as players. Essentially, everything that Harrison has made his name doing is what Maclin has struggled to do. The reason you know Maclin's name is because he does nothing that Harrison does. This isn't a Mizzou bash. You could have said the same about Harvin, though he is more of an actual reciever, but in the same grouping.

I do not see the Harrison/Maclin comparision either. For us, Maclin's value is in the 3rd round in my opinion. We need to address the line, not our current strengths.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I do not see the Harrison/Maclin comparision either. For us, Maclin's value is in the 3rd round in my opinion. We need to address the line, not our current strengths.

Spot on. We need upgrades or depth at OG, OC, FS, CB, DE, RB.

I think drafting a WR would make it hard to get him on the field. But I would hate to see him in a colts uni.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Spot on. We need upgrades or depth at OG, OC, FS, CB, DE, RB.

I think drafting a WR would make it hard to get him on the field. But I would hate to see him in a colts uni.

Harrison is 187 soaking wet. The comparison is apt. Now whether or not Maklin can keep pace with Manning ?.....They don't need a one, they need a two who can strech the field. Maklin gives them that in spades. He compliments everything they already have. They draft Ulatokoski late as a back up for Tony Ugoh they're prety much set. DT in the second....they're done.

Kubes has been very good with the team needs over his own instincts. At some point he'll feed the bull dog.

Well if Jacoby Jones can't get over the hump....I've got Chase Daniels as a cheap option. Maklin would slam dunk the PR slot for the Texans...I'm thinking. I wouldn't do it. Kubiak might.

The report we're taking an upgrade at receiver came from some where in house.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Harrison is 187 soaking wet. The comparison is apt. Now whether or not Maklin can keep pace with Manning ?.....They don't need a one, they need a two who can strech the field. Maklin gives them that in spades. He compliments everything they already have. They draft Ulatokoski late as a back up for Tony Ugoh they're prety much set. DT in the second....they're done.

Kubes has been very good with the team needs over his own instincts. At some point he'll feed the bull dog.

Well if Jacoby Jones can't get over the hump....I've got Chase Daniels as a cheap option. Maklin would slam dunk the PR slot for the Texans...I'm thinking. I wouldn't do it. Kubiak might.

The report we're taking an upgrade at receiver came from some where in house.

Quan Cosby, late, will fill admirably for the Jacoby Jones roster spot.

[YoungTexanFan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Harrison is 187 soaking wet. The comparison is apt. Now whether or not Maklin can keep pace with Manning ?.....They don't need a one, they need a two who can strech the field. Maklin gives them that in spades. He compliments everything they already have. They draft Ulatokoski late as a back up for Tony Ugoh they're prety much set. DT in the second....they're done.

Kubes has been very good with the team needs over his own instincts. At some point he'll feed the bull dog.

Well if Jacoby Jones can't get over the hump....I've got Chase Daniels as a cheap option. Maklin would slam dunk the PR slot for the Texans...I'm thinking. I wouldn't do it. Kubiak might.

The report we're taking an upgrade at receiver came from some where in house.

Just because Maclin could take snaps or that he is a small framed guy, does not compare him in any way to Harrison. He doesn't compliment what they have. You just described Reggie Wayne. The hope was that the WR out of tOSU they drafted would eventually work his way into a similar role as Harrison. I just think you view things far too different than me to ever agree. I think sometimes we have the same concept, but just entirely different ways of getting it done. Also, why would you draft/pay Maclin to be a slam dunk PR guy when we have a really good PR man as it is. Even if Jacoby doesn't develop, he isn't a big cap hit. If Jacoby sees the field at WR, it's a bonus. He was a project, drafted accordingly. Maclin will be a project, and drafted above where he should be.

I'm not against Mizzou guys, but I watch a lot more of them than I would bet everyone else here. I would take Coffman and Witherspoon in a heart beat. I would take Moore in the second. Daniel has no place in the NFL. He's a turnover machine lately and he has some serious physical limitations. He isn't the next Brees. Daniel doesn't have near that level of arm, nor is his accuracy anywhere near NFL calibur.

[threetoedpete]

Sometimes YTF your mouth gets way ahead of your brain. We'll see. OBTW....I called the Anthony Gonzales pick for the Colts a couple of years ago way befor the herd did. The comparison is spot on.

[YoungTexanFan]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Sometimes YTF your mouth gets way ahead of your brain. We'll see. OBTW....I called the Anthony Gonzales pick for the Colts a couple of years ago way befor the herd did. The comparison is spot on.

No pete. The comparison is not spot on. It is not even close. The comparison is not "apt" as you put it. Not at all. Luckily pete, my eyes get ahead of everything. I've been doing this for years and I've been forced to watch Mizzou regional coverage. Maclin is nothing close to Marvin Harrison as players. I don't understand how this is escaping you.

Weaknesses
he will need to work on running routes and getting open. Most of the Missouri offense operates within ten yards of the line of scrimmage.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/...my_maclin.html

In college, Mario Manningham seemed to be faster than every defensive back he went up against. But then Manningham went out and ran in the 4.5-4.6 range on his 40-yard dashes. Teammate and linebacker/defensive end Shawn Crable even out-ran him. He doesn't deserve to slide because pure vertical speed isn't the main reason why he blows by people with such ease; it's because of his amazing route-running skills and change-of-direction ability.

It is because of these abilities that Manningham compares well to Marvin Harrison of the Indianapolis Colts. He has a little bit better speed than Harrison but will probably not be quite as good due to his somewhat inconsistent hands and occasional fear of going over the middle leading to drops.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...le.html?cat=14

So pete, before you go taking about who's mouth is working before the brain, STFU man. Maclin could break 4.3 and is a poor route runner with slightly above average hands. He made his name by being a jack of all trades. When did you see Harrison returning punts or kicks, pete? When? Aside from them both being 6', they don't have much in common. Maclin is about 20lbs heavier and .3 of a second faster. Their games on the field don't compare at all.


I was ready to drop this until you had to try and be cute and clever without knowing a damn thing. Now pete, because you seem to think that your brain is so far ahead of anything, I went back through the archives, and I checked on the Anthony Gonzales. There is a thread entitled Anthony Gonzalez???? started 1-31-2007. Now, while you did post in that thread, you didn't once actually mention a single thing about Anthony Gonzales. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...thony+Gonzales


Pete, the earliest I can find a single post by you on this topic is 10-11-07, or well after the draft happened.

Dungy hit ugoh and the back up kid. Amazing. Guess he wasn't so crazy after all Taking Anthony Gonzales with the first pick.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...les#post758085

In fact, the first mention of Anthony Gonzales as a first round prospect from anyone on our board not quoting a professional, is beerlover. We had some of our tOSU friends tell us about Gonzales, especially matching up vs UT. However, I can't find a single post, pre-draft, with you suggesting Gonzales would go to the Colts.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sea...earchid=349162

Starts with the oldest mention of Anthony Gonzales and gets newer. It also will list posts with just Anthony (you will see Anthony Spencer some) and just Gonzales highlited in red.

[Kaiser Toro]

Let's keep it civil fellas.

[Blake]

I think we can forget about Maclin. That dude is gonna go to a team that can add flash with a first round or early second round pick like the Eagles did last year. I cant imagine anyone thinking that a WR/PR/KR is more of a need for the Texans than OG, CB, S, or DE, and with needs at that many positions we are sure to fill one with basically a BPA player.

And I know it wasnt the focus of your point, but teams who passed on Mario Manningham so long are idiots. That kid is a football player and I think will get really good in a few years.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Super Mario

I think we can forget about Maclin. That dude is gonna go to a team that can add flash with a first round or early second round pick like the Eagles did last year. I cant imagine anyone thinking that a WR/PR/KR is more of a need for the Texans than OG, CB, S, or DE, and with needs at that many positions we are sure to fill one with basically a BPA player.

And I know it wasnt the focus of your point, but teams who passed on Mario Manningham so long are idiots. That kid is a football player and I think will get really good in a few years.

Well IIRC we were considering taking Ted Ginn Jr a Maclin clone until Miami plucked him out from under us a couple of years ago. So you guys shouldnt be shocked if we do end up draft a WR.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by mussop

Well IIRC we were considering taking Ted Ginn Jr a Maclin clone until Miami plucked him out from under us a couple of years ago. So you guys shouldnt be shocked if we do end up draft a WR.

Was that a rumor or fact?

[threetoedpete]

Well anyone with a brain could of already figured out Bill Polian doesn't go with the herd. He'll take quick and light over press clippings. Tony Ugoh & Anthony Gonzales are classic examples. Everyone blasted those two picks. As I said We'll see. They are not going to double dip a TE/HB with Tammi, Santi and especially Clark on the roster.

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/colts.html

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Well anyone with a brain could of already figured out Bill Polian doesn't go with the herd. He'll take quick and light over press clippings. Tony Ugoh & Anthony Gonzales are classic examples. Everyone blasted those two picks. As I said We'll see. They are not going to double dip a TE/HB with Tammi, Santi and especially Clark on the roster.

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/colts.html

Who blasted Gonzalez? It was a great pick, everyone and their mother could see that knowing the player, the system and the age of Harrison.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by mussop

Well IIRC we were considering taking Ted Ginn Jr a Maclin clone until Miami plucked him out from under us a couple of years ago. So you guys shouldnt be shocked if we do end up draft a WR.

On the one hand, you could say "plucked" is a bit strong for Ginn Jr. He's been beat out for playing time this season by a day two guy, Devon Bess. Ginn Jr. was as advertised. Raw with marginal hands and a questionable work ethic. The play that damn near ended Trent Greens career was started by a Ginn Jr. fumble on an end around. So far Ginn Jr. has been a big tease. And I doubt Kubiak ever considered him. He didn't have the three years to give him. He gave that to Jacoby Jones. Plug two holes and even the odds on your busts.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

Who blasted Gonzalez? It was a great pick, everyone and their mother could see that knowing the player, the system and the age of Harrison.

Everyone ? Go back and review the 2006 off season. As I recall I was the only one on this board who made that call,. Every one ? I don't think so. And I believe I made it back in January.


Just like with Brisiel now....everybody is moving him out of the line up....he's been the rock down the stretch. And I know.....I'm the only one in here now making that call. I watch the ****ing games.

Baker is similar athleticly to Justice. Better suited for RT, but can play LT if needed. Long is a RT only. Gaither is the best OT in the draft. Fry should not start for us, and shouldn't really be anything more than a career backup. It's too early to guess who we will take, but DL should be off the list. Also, Groves isn't the best DE FYI.

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[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Everyone ? Go back and review the 2006 off season. As I recall I was the only one on this board who made that call,. Every one ? I don't think so. And I believe I made it back in January.


Just like with Brisiel now....everybody is moving him out of the line up....he's been the rock down the stretch. And I know.....I'm the only one in here now making that call. I watch the ****ing games.

Your omniscience must be quite a cross to bear, especially when shoveling yourself into a shallow grave of pontification. Looks like we are watching the same games and sharing similar thoughts, but that probably would not fit your solipsistic narrative.

From 1/18/07

Originally Posted by texasguy346

I'm not sure why the Texans would take Gonzales in the second. Seems like CB, LB, or FS would be a more pressing need.

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Agreed. Maybe it's the playmaker quote. Nothing wrong with Anderson or Walters that a extra half second from the o-line won't cure. Someone was banging me about the centers...there goes one. Four to go.

And he's got another in his top thirty. C/G means something there big guy. That's three one to go. Fifth round ?

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I like Gonzalez, but not that round and not for the Texans at all. Many nice names on that board and if Buster Davis and Lamarr Woodley are on the board we would then be set at LB in my opinion if we took either. On to the 3rd and 4th we would then be looking at FS, C or BPA.

From 1/28:

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Well one thing for sure...under this scenario, unless they have Samuels or Clemments in the bank...you can kiss off Kolb and Smith @2. 3 & 4 will be best corner on the board, best corner on the board. But as was posted on another thread...this is Kipers shuffle of the week.

My big question with the Tony Gonzales pick is would the wolf pick an o skill guy when he has so manny age guys at LB ? When he has that young coven at H back who basicaly do the same thing Gonzales does ? I dunno but, when he needs a front line prospect at corner, with Cariker still on the board he's going to by pass that and wait on Ray McDonald ? Seymore is not a young 'un any more. Be nice for him to restock a 3-4 DE. Have a guy on line for his '08 run.

never mind see him.

21. Denver Broncos: Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska

From 3/21

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

I do not like Sidney Rice at all. You guys went balistic in your anger over Gaffney and Bradford's production. You're going to have a melt down over Rice. He is very, very raw and is no where near ready to go against front line NFL tallent. Agreed, Gonzales makes more sense for a number two prospect. He is the safer pick.

From 4/27:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I am not ga-ga over Gonzalez, but would have no problem with him in a Texans uniform. Preferably in the second round as potentially picking him at #21 is a reach in my opinion.