Titans are a classless team

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

I don't understand why that 6 year old argument is suppossed to hold up. That is ample time to build a winner.

Tennessee was playoff caliber in 2003 and prior to that. Over 2004 and 2005 they won 9 games, had their rosters implode and lost practically everyone they made their playoff run with... at least the veterans. Over 2006 they broke the .500 mark then turned the corner in 2007 making the playoffs. Now in 2008 they have the best record in football. To be able to go from one of the worst teams in football to the best in four years is a testament that Houston should be good by now.

How long were Carolina and the Jags each in the league before they made the playoffs?

Answer: Carolina - year 2 - made conf. championship
Answer: Jax - Year 2 - made wildcard with 9-7 record, also made playoffs following 3 seasons as well...

[Brando]

Originally Posted by toronto

How long were Carolina and the Jags each in the league before they made the playoffs?

Answer: Carolina - year 2 - made conf. championship
Answer: Jax - Year 2 - made wildcard with 9-7 record, also made playoffs following 3 seasons as well...

They made it more difficult for the Texans and Browns to put a team together just because of those 2 expansion teams. Apples and oranges but yeah we should have a winner by now but it was dwarfed by the 3 C's, Casserly,Capers, and Carr.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Brando

They made it more difficult for the Texans and Browns to put a team together just because of those 2 expansion teams. Apples and oranges but yeah we should have a winner by now but it was dwarfed by the 3 C's, Casserly,Capers, and Carr.

IIRC, the Jags and Panthers were given an extra draft pick per round in their first drafts?

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

I don't understand why that 6 year old argument is suppossed to hold up. That is ample time to build a winner.

Tennessee was playoff caliber in 2003 and prior to that. Over 2004 and 2005 they won 9 games, had their rosters implode and lost practically everyone they made their playoff run with... at least the veterans. Over 2006 they broke the .500 mark then turned the corner in 2007 making the playoffs. Now in 2008 they have the best record in football. To be able to go from one of the worst teams in football to the best in four years is a testament that Houston should be good by now.

Yeah you're right. The Titans didn't have an established organization. They had to hire a GM, head coach, coordinators, and various staff so that the new Owner Bud Adams would be well prepared to face the rigors of the NFL. NO WAIT when Bud Adams had a FLEDGELING team it was in the old American Football League and the NFL were teams like the Bears, Packers and Cleveland rams. Wasn't the year 1960? I believe it was! Bud's NFL franchise came into existence after the merger of the AFL and NFL so please don't give me the whole "The Titans built a team in no time flat" bull$h:t because it won't fly.

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by toronto

Nah, not arrogance, but there's a definate chip on some shoulders. And for the record, NO ONE ON THE PLANET are bigger *********s than Cowboy fans. They are in a class/planet of their own. Case closed.

Note to all the Cowboy fans in here who frequently accuse me of being the catalyst to most anti Cowboy/cowboy fan sentiment in here...I didn't write the comment in quotation marks here...translation...SEE it's NOT just me!

Respectfully,

Sir Dreadford Headington KBE, BMF, USMC, KKK (don't ask), YMCA, MC-DJ, WKRP (...in Cinicinati)

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by toronto

IIRC, the Jags and Panthers were given an extra draft pick per round in their first drafts?

I don't remember all the particulars but they both had a lot of advantages that no other expansion teams had. Because of their quick success the NFL made a bunch of changes so that wouldn't happen again. Both the new Browns and Texans paid for that.

However I agree that the Texans have had ample time to build a winner. Though with any expansion team the Texans are dealing with a rookie owner who made some early mistakes, the most notably being Charlie Casserly, Dom Capers, and David Carr.

[LonerATO]

both teams had almost full access to all NFL team rosters plus the extra pick, hence unfair advantage that is no longer used.

[Grams]

Originally Posted by Bipolar The Titan

I don't understand why that 6 year old argument is suppossed to hold up. That is ample time to build a winner.

Tennessee was playoff caliber in 2003 and prior to that. Over 2004 and 2005 they won 9 games, had their rosters implode and lost practically everyone they made their playoff run with... at least the veterans. Over 2006 they broke the .500 mark then turned the corner in 2007 making the playoffs. Now in 2008 they have the best record in football. To be able to go from one of the worst teams in football to the best in four years is a testament that Houston should be good by now.

Let's take the Patriots and move them lock, stock and barrel to Nebraska, build them a new stadium. How long will it take them to have a winning season?

Prpbably not long either as they will have the same owner, coaches and players as you did when you moved to Tennessee.

Building as franchise from scratch usually takes a while. Even the Patriots suffered through years of mediocrity before they started winning on a regular basis.

It takes the right combination of GM, Scouting and coaches. If one or mores part are bad then it takes several more years to get it right. Casserly and Capers did a good job of leaving us where we were when they started - with the exception of a few good players.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Grams

Let's take the Patriots and move them lock, stock and barrel to Nebraska, build them a new stadium. How long will it take them to have a winning season?

Prpbably not long either as they will have the same owner, coaches and players as you did when you moved to Tennessee.

Building as franchise from scratch usually takes a while. Even the Patriots suffered through years of mediocrity before they started winning on a regular basis.

It takes the right combination of GM, Scouting and coaches. If one or mores part are bad then it takes several more years to get it right. Casserly and Capers did a good job of leaving us where we were when they started - with the exception of a few good players.

Normally, this post is 100% correct. The Titans are a bit of an anomoly.

1) Normally when a franchise goes tits up performance-wise, the coach is toast. Fisher bucked this trend. The team benefited bigtime from him not getting the axe.

2) The Titans have had some higher picks go to waste (Pacman, Woolfolk, Chris Henry, Tyrone Calico, VY) yet they hit so much on middle and late rounders (Roos, Stewart, Finnegan, Hayes) as well as finding players in the scrap heap (Collins, Tony Brown, David Ball) that it negates the bigtime busts. Most teams would never be able to survive such huge busts on draftday. They have had some success (Griffin, Johnson) so not every first rounder was terrible.

I'm just dumbfounded how the Titans had these misses and actually became a better team. Kinda like the Pats losing Bledsoe and becoming a world champ x 3.

3) Steady decisionmaking with no panic moves. Unlike Jerry Jones, Jeffrey Lurie, hell the entire NFC East minus the Giants, the Titans don't panic when free agents start signing ridiculous contracts. I remember the Titans boards just losing it when Nate Clements signed a sick contract with SF 2 years ago. Same with Assante Samuel and Berrian last year. Steady teams like the Titans recognized that these players were way overvalued and would not only not improve the team, but would likely rock the boat due to their contracts making other players mad. Same for the Roy Williams trade by Jerry Jones. It accomplished zilch for a dysfunctional team and they will regret it bigtime come draftday, which is showing signs of being a sweet as hell first round.

4) The players the Titans did target were better fits. Chris Hope, David Thornton, Justin Gage, Alge Crumpler and Jake Scott have all proven to be decent to terrific moves, and none were huge deals.

I will say this. The Titans blueprint to 13-2 this year is one of the strangest ones I've ever seen. I am wondering if the team just caught lightning in a bottle, and need to cash in this year while the getting is good. But when I look at the nucleus, the team is young. The only position that I would call 'aging' is LB, where Bulluck and Thornton could use their heir(s).

I was really worried about losing Haynesworth, but after the Steelers game, the team may have another hit on the hands in Jason Jones, a player I remember saying "Who the hell is that" on draft day when I was praying they would trade up and grab DeSean Jackson.

[spurstexanstros]

and thats when the Bud Adams curse kicks in.....obviously you havent read the history books.

[Brando]

Originally Posted by toronto

Normally, this post is 100% correct. The Titans are a bit of an anomoly.

1) Normally when a franchise goes tits up performance-wise, the coach is toast. Fisher bucked this trend. The team benefited bigtime from him not getting the axe.

2) The Titans have had some higher picks go to waste (Pacman, Woolfolk, Chris Henry, Tyrone Calico, VY) yet they hit so much on middle and late rounders (Roos, Stewart, Finnegan, Hayes) as well as finding players in the scrap heap (Collins, Tony Brown, David Ball) that it negates the bigtime busts. Most teams would never be able to survive such huge busts on draftday. They have had some success (Griffin, Johnson) so not every first rounder was terrible.

I'm just dumbfounded how the Titans had these misses and actually became a better team. Kinda like the Pats losing Bledsoe and becoming a world champ x 3.

3) Steady decisionmaking with no panic moves. Unlike Jerry Jones, Jeffrey Lurie, hell the entire NFC East minus the Giants, the Titans don't panic when free agents start signing ridiculous contracts. I remember the Titans boards just losing it when Nate Clements signed a sick contract with SF 2 years ago. Same with Assante Samuel and Berrian last year. Steady teams like the Titans recognized that these players were way overvalued and would not only not improve the team, but would likely rock the boat due to their contracts making other players mad. Same for the Roy Williams trade by Jerry Jones. It accomplished zilch for a dysfunctional team and they will regret it bigtime come draftday, which is showing signs of being a sweet as hell first round.

4) The players the Titans did target were better fits. Chris Hope, David Thornton, Justin Gage, Alge Crumpler and Jake Scott have all proven to be decent to terrific moves, and none were huge deals.

I will say this. The Titans blueprint to 13-2 this year is one of the strangest ones I've ever seen. I am wondering if the team just caught lightning in a bottle, and need to cash in this year while the getting is good. But when I look at the nucleus, the team is young. The only position that I would call 'aging' is LB, where Bulluck and Thornton could use their heir(s).

I was really worried about losing Haynesworth, but after the Steelers game, the team may have another hit on the hands in Jason Jones, a player I remember saying "Who the hell is that" on draft day when I was praying they would trade up and grab DeSean Jackson.

I hate the Titans but you have good takes and that was a good post. Rep.

Now I hope that Bud curse kicks in!

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Brando

I hate the Titans but you have good takes and that was a good post. Rep.

Now I hope that Bud curse kicks in!

Thanks and understand on the Bud thing. I want the damn ring despite that mofo.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by toronto

Keep hanging your hat on that, it's all you got. We'll move on to bigger and better things, like watching my youngsters plant Big Ben all game and clinch homefield.

How did your followup go?

How Did YOUR followup go ?


(Just ribbing ya Toronto)

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Wolf

How Did YOUR followup go ?


(Just ribbing ya Toronto)

I knew the game would be flag football, but man I'm not used to Fisher going that easy in a game. Not sure how I feel about it.

I did re-discover that VY is an absolute mess. The kid just has no football IQ.

[Blazing Arrow]

Originally Posted by toronto

I did re-discover that VY is an absolute mess. The kid just has no football IQ.

Yeah ... I had forgot how bad he is. It is indescribable at times. You are playing a #2 D. These guys you should light up especially with your legs and you drop that egg. The sooner we can move past the Young 'era' the better.

[Wolf]

this season has to be a wake up call for vince.. No going back to UT , no bars in austin.. He should be moving into Heimerdinger's guest house for the offseason, with a big screen tv with game film on it (with closed caption on to0)

Turning point for Vince and his career ..

[Hookem Horns]

Bud isn't going to give up on Vince too easily. He doesn't want all that egg on his face since getting Vince was his idea to start off with. He drafted Vince to "stick it to Houston" and the Laniers (Mrs. Lanier was actively lobbying for the Texans to draft VY and I understand that Bud was quite aware of that). Everyone remember what Bud's first move with VY was? He put him on his private jet and brought him back to Houston (not Nashville) to show him off.

VY is a pawn in Bud's personal vendetta war against Houston. Because of that I don't see Bud giving up on him anytime soon. Bud should just be happy that he got some limited satisfaction after that first game in Reliant when Vince was running around like a jackass pumping his chest saying "this is my house". The ones who are going to pay in the long run are the Titans coaches and their fans, not the intended target.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Bud isn't going to give up on Vince too easily. He doesn't want all that egg on his face since getting Vince was his idea to start off with. He drafted Vince to "stick it to Houston" and the Laniers (Mrs. Lanier was actively lobbying for the Texans to draft VY and I understand that Bud was quite aware of that). Everyone remember what Bud's first move with VY was? He put him on his private jet and brought him back to Houston (not Nashville) to show him off.

VY is a pawn in Bud's personal vendetta war against Houston. Because of that I don't see Bud giving up on him anytime soon. Bud should just be happy that he got some limited satisfaction after that first game in Reliant when Vince was running around like a jackass pumping his chest saying "this is my house". The ones who are going to pay in the long run are the Titans coaches and their fans, not the intended target.

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Bud isn't going to give up on Vince too easily. He doesn't want all that egg on his face since getting Vince was his idea to start off with. He drafted Vince to "stick it to Houston" and the Laniers (Mrs. Lanier was actively lobbying for the Texans to draft VY and I understand that Bud was quite aware of that). Everyone remember what Bud's first move with VY was? He put him on his private jet and brought him back to Houston (not Nashville) to show him off.

VY is a pawn in Bud's personal vendetta war against Houston. Because of that I don't see Bud giving up on him anytime soon. Bud should just be happy that he got some limited satisfaction after that first game in Reliant when Vince was running around like a jackass pumping his chest saying "this is my house". The ones who are going to pay in the long run are the Titans coaches and their fans, not the intended target.

very true Hook 'em

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Mother of Pearl! That's a very disturbing picture. Neg Rep!

BTW, I agree with Hookem. It's nice to see the vendetta he has against Houston blowing up in his face.