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Old 12-05-2008   #41
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I don't like Moore at all. He just doesn't tackle very well. I gotta feeling after the GMs and coaches watch the tapes he's going to fall off. One Phillip Buchanon was enough for me, thank you very much. Mays is such a physical guy they just might be tempted. I gotta feeling we're going with who we're going with because Kubes and Rick Smith want it that way. They aren't going to bust the cap with a saftey unless they believe he's the second coming of Dennis Smith.

If you can make six to seven figures bing an Einstein, why would you do to your body what NFL players have do to it ? Rolle just isn't smart, he's off the charts smart.
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I dont see us taking a FS in the first. We really need a playmaker OLB to go with Ryans and Adibi. I like Diles, but he should be our utility back up.
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How long is he going to be out of football due to going to Oxford? .... Teams want smart players but being away from the game for an extended period of time takes its toll in many a way. Teams may be skeptical after a 2-3 year absense.
There is the example of David Robinson though. I'm not saying that teams will take that risk, only that it may not be as big of a risk as feared. A guy with the right mentality is worth 1000 of a guy with the right time in the 40.
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should have clarified the list somewhat but felt @ this time to many changes will occur & several names will move or down. But just check out these names, forget about where they are slotted or to what teams selects them for now, just look at that talent to draw from, starting with the 12th pick (still expect the Texans to win a couple more games which should put them back in the mid to late teens)

13 Buffalo Eugene Monroe OT SR Virginia
14 Chicago Vontae Davis CB JR Illinois
15 New Orleans Taylor Mays FS JR Southern California
16 Philadelphia Duke Robinson OG SR Oklahoma
17 Miami Terrence Cody DT JR Alabama
18 New England Knowshon Moreno RB RSO Georgia
19 Washington George Selvie DE JR South Florida
20 Denver James Laurinaitis LB SR Ohio State
21 Arizona Michael Johnson DE SR Georgia Tech
22 Minnesota Tim Tebow QB JR Florida
23 Detroit (from Dallas) Alphonso Smith CB SR Wake Forest
24 New York Jets Tyson Jackson DE SR LSU
25 Atlanta B.J. Raji DT SR Boston College
26 Indianapolis Sen'Derrick Marks DT JR Auburn
27 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB JR Vanderbilt
28 Tampa Bay Jermaine Gresham TE JR Oklahoma

this is why a trade down or two is such a viable option
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For some reason, I just see Michael Johnson and Brian Orakpo being dinged for their size before the draft comes. A lot of people seem to forget about how good players perform on the field once the combine comes around.
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It'll never happen, but hey I can dream can't I?
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I would like to trade down to get Mack or another o-line player if we cant get Orakpo or Mays. I would be happy with that since we could pick up Ellison, who jsut happens to be a freaking beast himself and will be 2-3 round talent. We would then have o-line and FS/SS with our first two picks
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It'll never happen, but hey I can dream can't I?
What makes you think Tebow isn't Vincet Young squared ? Looks like the same guy in a different covering to me....Remeber Troy "Tater tot" Smith and Ginn Jr. ? Easy throwing TDs when your guys are wide open. But doing what most QBs have to do in the NFL....hitting little windows on time and on target.... making reads and going through the progressions....
the load up and hop isn't going to work for little Timmy in the NFL.
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its nonsense to think Tebow can't make an NFL roster with such a shortage around the league. a system in need of his services will trade up if they feel he is what it takes to run their offense especially with success of rookie QB class this year in the NFL. the Vikings wish he would be their QB could you imagine that backfield
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It's not that Tebow has no chance of being an NFL QB, just that it will take him awhile. 3 maybe 4 years I am thinking. We don't really have the luxury of taking a QB first or second round who is going to take 3, 4, or 5 years to come around.

We need impact players right now, specifically on defense.
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It's not that Tebow has no chance of being an NFL QB, just that it will take him awhile. 3 maybe 4 years I am thinking. We don't really have the luxury of taking a QB first or second round who is going to take 3, 4, or 5 years to come around.

We need impact players right now, specifically on defense.
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not a sexy pick I know but Texans are playing themselves into an area of the draft you select the most productive impact player available ignoring their potential ceiling. just such a need player who is ready to contribute @ a position of need for the Texans is James Laurinaitis, Ohio State. he could swing outside or play inside plays smart, instinctive with a nose for the ball.
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Watched the replay of the BYU New Mexico game from back in october....

What do you guys think of WAC RB Harvey Unga ( pronounced un ha) ? Not a fleet foot guy in terms of speed. But he has nifty feet, knows how to press a hole and...he has arms like six inch pipes. What was that guy the Oilers went into San Diego and won with Gifford Nielson subbing in a play off game...Micheal Moriority....Larry Moriority ? BYU spread.... but a guy that big unless he's a total feminine napkin..He ought to be pretty tough. Pacific rim guy.

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The Cougars were in great shape at running back - until Manase Tonga was determined to be academically ineligible for the 2008 season. Still, they have enough talent and experience to more than get by, provided they stay clear of nagging injuries that hampered them last year.
Of course, the key returner is sophomore Harvey Unga, the 6-foot-tall, 243-pound conference offensive player of the year candidate who burst onto the scene in a big way in 2007, rushing for 1,227 yards and displaying a mixture of speed, power and shiftiness that made Cougar fans forget about Curtis Brown, the program's all-time leading rusher who graduated after the 2006 season.
Unga, who redshirted in 2006 due to a hip injury, not only had 13 touchdowns on 244 carries, but proved to be a capable receiver, too, making 44 catches for 655 yards and four TDs. The 1,227 rushing yards was a MWC record for a freshman and also a BYU freshman record.
With Tonga out of the lineup, look for senior Fui Vakapuna to re-emerge as a battering ram and a lead blocker for Unga. While battling a hand injury and tender ankles last year, Vakapuna still scored 11 touchdowns. He had 252 rushing yards on 73 carries. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv...htn891_200.jpg
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not a sexy pick I know but Texans are playing themselves into an area of the draft you select the most productive impact player available ignoring their potential ceiling. just such a need player who is ready to contribute @ a position of need for the Texans is James Laurinaitis, Ohio State. he could swing outside or play inside plays smart, instinctive with a nose for the ball.
Pretty much what I have been thinking as well. We're thankfully playing our way out of the boom or bust that can be the top ten and more towards the productive impact players. Would not be upset if we chose Laurinaitis. Not sold on Diles and we need a guy who can rev up the intensity on defense. Him or Duke Robinson are my picks.
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Pretty much what I have been thinking as well. We're thankfully playing our way out of the boom or bust that can be the top ten and more towards the productive impact players. Would not be upset if we chose Laurinaitis. Not sold on Diles and we need a guy who can rev up the intensity on defense. Him or Duke Robinson are my picks.
This week we jump up one draft spot. We where 12, and this week we should be 13 if I figured out the wins and loses correctly last night.
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What makes you think Tebow isn't Vincet Young squared ? Looks like the same guy in a different covering to me....Remeber Troy "Tater tot" Smith and Ginn Jr. ? Easy throwing TDs when your guys are wide open. But doing what most QBs have to do in the NFL....hitting little windows on time and on target.... making reads and going through the progressions....
the load up and hop isn't going to work for little Timmy in the NFL.
not a very sound argument against Tebow, considering most NFL quarterbacks played for big schools that had very talented receivers

bottomline for QB's is that you want a guy who's smart and learns quickly and has all the physical tools. Tebow has all of that. he's poised. he's very athletic. Vince Young just had the physical tools, none of the mental capabilities, and clearly no maturity. Troy Smith was never really considered to be much of a prospect, which is why he went in the later rounds.

i think the two best comparisons with Tebow is Alex Smith and Steve McNair. we'll see whose career he more closely resembles
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I think a 1st round LB like Curry, Spikes, Laurinitis or Mauluga could make an awesome trio of LB's for us.

Adibi - Ryans - Curry !?
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not a very sound argument against Tebow, considering most NFL quarterbacks played for big schools that had very talented receivers

bottom line for QB's is that you want a guy who's smart and learns quickly and has all the physical tools. Tebow has all of that. he's poised. he's very athletic. Vince Young just had the physical tools, none of the mental capabilities, and clearly no maturity. Troy Smith was never really considered to be much of a prospect, which is why he went in the later rounds.

i think the two best comparisons with Tebow is Alex Smith and Steve McNair. we'll see whose career he more closely resembles
No the common bonds between the three Young, Troy Smith and Tebow is all three were in college offenses which featured very athletic receivers which didn't require any of them to be highly accurate. Now what I know for a fact is that for two of them it hasn't worked yet. They have not made the transition to passing, not throwing or hurling the ball, but passing the ball in the NFL. Now, you may argue that Tebow may some how be different. Tebow may be different and be able to transition. But the analogy is not only apt. It is spot on.

There are old QBs and Bold QBs in the NFL. But there are no old bold QBs in the NFL. The common theme with all young running QBs in the NFL is they either become better passers or they get obsoleted. They all quit running after a while. Even Lord Farve. And the same will be true wth Tebow.
One thing to hit a guy running free in a zone. Quite another sticking a pass in a three inch square NFL window with two guys hanging all over your receiver on a fifteen yard out or a ten yard hitch. Makes a difference.
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I think a 1st round LB like Curry, Spikes, Laurinitis or Mauluga could make an awesome trio of LB's for us.

Adibi - Ryans - Curry !?
the thing about Curry from my point of veiw, he's quick enough stout enough to cover all three spots. And so athletic....you have the option of leaving him on the field when a team goes to a up temp no huddle drill. With the win yesterday we're probably out of Brown , Orakpo range....unless they spend draft picks.
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No the common bonds between the three Young, Troy Smith and Tebow is all three were in college offenses which featured very athletic receivers which didn't require any of them to be highly accurate. Now what I know for a fact is that for two of them it hasn't worked yet. They have not made the transition to passing, not throwing or hurling the ball, but passing the ball in the NFL. Now, you may argue that Tebow may some how be different. Tebow may be different and be able to transition. But the analogy is not only apt. It is spot on.
they didn't have to be incredibly accurate, in the same sense that Adrian Peterson didn't have to make a ton of great cuts and fight off defenders in college because he had a great o-line in front of him. but he still did, and he was still great and was still a great prospect for the NFL. in other words, don't penalize a player for the other great players around him. as i said before, most NFL starters played on college teams with very talented receivers, and VERY few college QB's HAVE to throw the ball into a very tight window, so you shouldn't penalize the guys because they have wide-open receivers. if they're missing those wide open guys, then we have a problem

Tebow's issues aren't with accuracy and syncing up with receivers, it's with his mechanics, which are pretty lousy. worse than Vince Young's, that's for sure
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