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Old 10-20-2008   #21
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I was on the 50 yard line with binoculars.
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My bad in a different post, I thought it was Demps that blew the assignment. So it was Harrison's fault.
It very well could have been....I'm just adding what I saw to the discussion. I think the only people who really know who blew the call are the coaches who made the defensive call. I just put 2+2 together with one of the coaches talking ONLY to Harrison while he sat on the bench...away from the rest of the defense, and then Harrison was not on the field for the next series.
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It very well could have been....I'm just adding what I saw to the discussion. I think the only people who really know who blew the call are the coaches who made the defensive call. I just put 2+2 together with one of the coaches talking ONLY to Harrison while he sat on the bench...away from the rest of the defense, and then Harrison was not on the field for the next series.

I'll have to watch the game again but I think Bennett replaced Faggins after that play also.
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I'll have to watch the game again but I think Bennett replaced Faggins after that play also.
Yeah, the first play he was in he came flying over the pile drawing a 15 yard penalty.

He did have nice coverage on a deep route to CJ.
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blah blah blah we won! The b**ching will never stop until we are undeafeated and win the super bowl, guess i just have to get use to it. But come on we won 2 in a row and A LOT of people are still complaining as much as when we were 0-4.
Yes we won, but how many games do you honestly think we will win in the future if the defense still looks like it does?
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Yeah, the first play he was in he came flying over the pile drawing a 15 yard penalty.

He did have nice coverage on a deep route to CJ.
At least he shows hussle! LOL! Honestly, I would like to see him mixed in more, it couldn't hurt. I'll take 15 yard penalties and decent coverage over 96yard toast plays all day.
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It very well could have been....I'm just adding what I saw to the discussion. I think the only people who really know who blew the call are the coaches who made the defensive call. I just put 2+2 together with one of the coaches talking ONLY to Harrison while he sat on the bench...away from the rest of the defense, and then Harrison was not on the field for the next series.

I watched it again and if we are talking about the same play(the Calvin Johnson 96 yard TD) Harrison wasn't one of the safeties, it was Ferguson and Demps as the safeties and Demps was on Faggins side. Like it has been said before the coaches are the ones to really blame, they didn't put the players in the best defense to begin with.
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can someone explain quarter-quarter half in detail?
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can someone explain quarter-quarter half in detail?
The safety has the deep middle of the field IE in between the hash marks. Thats half.

The corners each have their respective side of the field IE hash mark to sideline. These are the quarters. So looking at the defensive backs from left to right:

Left corner: Left Quarter
Safety: Middle half
Right Corner: Right Quarter

This coverage is run when you have a safety in the box, so there is only one deep safety.
Does that help?
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I watched it again and if we are talking about the same play(the Calvin Johnson 96 yard TD) Harrison wasn't one of the safeties, it was Ferguson and Demps as the safeties and Demps was on Faggins side. Like it has been said before the coaches are the ones to really blame, they didn't put the players in the best defense to begin with.
I re-watched the game last night. I felt better about the Offense afterward, but our Defensive holes were glaring - Okoye really did look as bad as people thought and Petey Faggins actually played a fair game overall.

It was Demps side for Safety coverage on the 96-yarder. Faggins was 1-on-1 w/ CJ and Demps came UP in coverage to backup the LBs on an underneath crossing route. There wasn't any hesitation on Demps' part. He appeared to be following scheme in closing up the 'seam' (the LBs had let the crossing man go behind them...no pursuit) So, either both safeties weren't supposed to come up, or we just had a really lousy scheme on that play.

Asking Petey to cover a 4.3 guy who has a height advantage as well was asking for trouble. That said, it wasn't the only time I'd seen that situation come up on the re-watch. In the other cases, either the QB missed the read, or CJ had insuficient time to separate from Faggins.
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I understand this but I am saying I am suprised that I see almost just as much complaining as when we lost 4 in a row.
You're confusing complaining with constructive criticism in many cases (not that there isn't always an element of complaining around the Texans). Common mistake.
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Whats even more disappointing about this stat is that after 40 minutes of wearing out the defense, we couldn't get that last 1st down running the ball.

The Detroit defense was injured and on the field for 40 minutes. How do they stop our offense? Thats disappointing to me
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Whats even more disappointing about this stat is that after 40 minutes of wearing out the defense, we couldn't get that last 1st down running the ball.

The Detroit defense was injured and on the field for 40 minutes. How do they stop our offense? Thats disappointing to me
We might have, if we were being the least bit creative and if Salaam hadn't jumped & made it 3rd and 7 (instead of 2)
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blah blah blah we won! The b**ching will never stop until we are undeafeated and win the super bowl, guess i just have to get use to it. But come on we won 2 in a row and A LOT of people are still complaining as much as when we were 0-4.
You're right. Even if we were to go undefeated, untied, and unscored-upon we would find something to ***** about.

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You're confusing complaining with constructive criticism in many cases (not that there isn't always an element of complaining around the Texans). Common mistake.
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The safety has the deep middle of the field IE in between the hash marks. Thats half.

The corners each have their respective side of the field IE hash mark to sideline. These are the quarters. So looking at the defensive backs from left to right:

Left corner: Left Quarter
Safety: Middle half
Right Corner: Right Quarter

This coverage is run when you have a safety in the box, so there is only one deep safety.
Does that help?

yup. thanks. so harrison was in position then. the secondary played it correctly accept that faggins should have been 7 - 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. i'm not sure even with the cushion that he should be out there one on one with CJ.

they can't win though, the defensive coordinator is calling more aggressive calls and the players are lining up out of position and tackling poorly. i watched the highlights several times and greenwood gave up the other TD. flat out blew the tackle. our tackling has improved but on another play i couldn't tell if it was bennett or faggins but who ever was supposed to seal the edge didn't attack the runner and instead put his head down to take the block. it ended up being a decent gain for detroit. Dale has mentioned to me that bennett puts his head down alot so i'm assuming it was him. again, bad tackling.

if you're watching the highlights not the nflta crap, pay attention at :50 to the TD run. We've got Salaam in as a TE/2nd LT but watch Brown's block on the leaping LB... it's awesome!
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I didn't like Harrison when they drafted him and his performance only validates that feeling.

The guy wouldn't even be on most rosters, but we have to validate our selection of him by giving him playing time. classic texans stubborness. The guy just sucks but we picked him so he must be good......
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I reviewed the game again on DVR and Harrison was already pulled on the long TD pass, so the Safety tandem was Demps and Ferguson. The coaches must have been talking to Harrison from a previous play when I looked down at the bench. It clearly appears that Demps took steps forward towards the out pattern underneath as the Lions scored on the deep ball....just wanted to clear that up for the record. I haven't read the board since I posted yesterday so someone may have corrected this already.
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