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Old 10-09-2008   #21
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Default Re: Ronnie Brown & Miami's "wildcat" offense

My in-laws are Arkansan, so I've watched many Razorback games over the last few years. The Wildcat can be controlled: McFadden and Jones made some huge plays out of the formation, but more than a few defenses held it well in check.

THE GOOD NEWS: For all of our dismay at our CBs, they do a better-than-average job against the run, and that will be an asset for us against the edge-oriented runs out of the formation. Also, if Mario can consistently get in the backfield, then the play will be more predictable (the option will always be run away from Mario) and thus more defensible. So I would have him fire off the line more like a pass-rusher whenever he sees Brown in the shotgun.

On the other hand, we'll really need the linebackers to step up. They must stay disciplined and alert but then react like hell once they've got the play diagnosed.
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My in-laws are Arkansan, so I've watched many Razorback games over the last few years. The Wildcat can be controlled: McFadden and Jones made some huge plays out of the formation, but more than a few defenses held it well in check.

THE GOOD NEWS: For all of our dismay at our CBs, they do a better-than-average job against the run, and that will be an asset for us against the edge-oriented runs out of the formation. Also, if Mario can consistently get in the backfield, then the play will be more predictable (the option will always be run away from Mario) and thus more defensible. So I would have him fire off the line more like a pass-rusher whenever he sees Brown in the shotgun.

On the other hand, we'll really need the linebackers to step up. They must stay disciplined and alert but then react like hell once they've got the play diagnosed.
Oh yeah, I am definitely starting Ronnie Brown in my fantasy league now.
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The Texans "D" is going to make the "Wildcat Offense" choke on a hair ball...


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SAPP SAYS WILDCAT IS “DISRESPECTFUL”


Former NFL loudmouth player Warren Sapp apparently is attempting to carve as niche as a loudmouth analyst. While we’ve generally got no problem with Sapp being a loudmouth, if he’s going to be a loudmouth it also helps to be persuasive in his loudmouthedness.With the Miami Dolphins’ new Wildcat formation fueling wins over the two AFC finalists from a year ago, Sapp has offered up a misguided (and loudmouthed) critique of the attack.

“This is disrespectful to all defenses,” Sapp declared during his weekly appearance on Showtime’s Inside the NFL, via Tim Graham of ESPN.com. “It’s disrespectful. You’re taking the best player in the game, the quarterback, and you’re putting him out wide, outside the numbers, and you put the running back in the back.

“How the hell you going to throw the ball? I’m not even thinking about throw right now. I’m going to get everybody in the gap. It’s just power ‘O.’ You have the running back with the ball already in his hand.”


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Sapp says some weird things sometimes. How is this disrespecting the defense? It's called showing different formations. I don't know about that guy.....
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Sapp is a blowhard. I'm not that impressed with him as an analyst. His mouth landed him that gig more than anything else. JMO
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Default Re: Ronnie Brown & Miami's "wildcat" offense

Cower was on siriusand was asked what he would do aand he said blitz it. Get everyone moving forward and split the diference on the qb and hope they throw it to the qb so he could get blown up. Especially the bacckside.
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Let's assume for a minute that Dickie Smith doesn't have a clue. I know it's a stretch, but use your imagination.

What do you do defensively to defend the single wing?
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Let's assume for a minute that Dickie Smith doesn't have a clue. I know it's a stretch, but use your imagination.

What do you do defensively to defend the single wing?
Its not trickery they use. It relys on execution. They line up Ronnie right behind center...YOU KNOW he's getting the ball. Its about execution.
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I'd imagine that a defensive audible to have the corners blitz would probably cause some problems. If Brown has to truck somebody behind the line it'll probably cause the loss of time to get to the LOS, and if he has to throw the ball on the run or possibly have a loss on the play, he might make a bad decision.
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I wouldn't be too worried about that formation if I were Richard Smith...Of course you have to touch on it and find a way to stop it when they do line up in it...

If they've only run it 16 times for 167yards times in 5 games that's less than 4 times a game for a little over ten yards a pop...I haven't watched a whole lot of Miami, but the clips I've seen of them running it seem to mostly be close to the goal line...

I'm more worried about their defense...
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They've only run it the last two games, 5 or 6 times against the Pats, and like 11 times last week against the Chargers. Also, they run it from an unbalanced line. The line goes TE G C G T T. They don't run it the same each time, once a WR was the motion guy instead of Ricky. They've also only run it on 3-4 teams. Ronnie has thrown from it and Ricky has setup to throw but pulled it back down and ran. I don't know if they'll run it on Sunday, but it's fun to watch if they do. Well, fun for me if it works anyway, you guys might have different opinions.
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Here's some info that may clarify what might be expected with the "wildcat" and how to counter it.:

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The Double Wing Offense is nothing more than the old Single Wing Offense with a new variation. All the old plays from the Single Wing Offense are still there, but with a new twist.

The weaknesses of the Single Wing Offense are that most coaches know that the Single Wing Offense is 80-90% run offense. So the defense stack the strong side (the side the wing man lines up on) to take away the power running game. This is why a lot of teams stopped running the Single Wing Offense. A few years later the Double Wing Offense was born.

The Double Wing Offense has all the advantages of the Single Wing. However, it keeps the defense from keying the wing man and stacking its players to that side. The Double Wing Offense forces the defense to keep a balance front.

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Here are some tips on how to handle the Double Wing Offense.

1. Do not chase, stay at home. The Double Wing Offense wants you to chase the football, they will get the defense running in one direction and come back, with the ball, the other way.

2. Play gap control. Everyone stays at home and makes great one on one tackling.

3. Key the guards. If the guard pulls inside (towards the center) have your man stay on his hip. If the guard pulls outside (away from the center), have the defender stay at home, looking for a trap play coming from the inside.

4. Quarterback is very important! Assign a man to the quarterback. The quarterback must be tackled on every play. The quarterback is the key. If he is being tackled on every play, he will not be able to drop back and pass or run with the ball.

You might get burned on a halfback pass, but the halfback is not the quarterback and he is not going to win the game for them.

5. You must keep on eyes on the wing-backs. They are used on counter plays up the middle and to the backside. Anytime that a wing-back is not blocking, and moves inside towards the center, it's a counter play. The defensive players must yell counter play, to let the center and back side of the defense know that the counter or reverse play is coming their way.


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The Double-Wing Offense will do everything in their capability to make their power sweep work. They will use an unbalanced line. They will place the tailback in motion away from the play to get you to think they are not going to run their power sweep, but they will. They will place the tailback in motion to the play side to loosen up the contain man. When the defense sees the motion man, they start thinking swing-pass and loosen up. The offense will place a wide receiver to the wingback's side. The contain man will now have to be concern with the look-in pass or being block by the receiver.

The best advice I can give you to help stop the Double Wing Offense is, key the guards’ block. Place a man head-up on the offensive center. By placing a man head-up on the offensive center, you force the offense to double team the nose guard. Tell your linebackers to read the double team block. If the right guard down blocks on the nose guard, the play is going to the right. If the left guard double teams the nose guard, the play is going to the left. It is that simple.
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2. Play gap control. Everyone stays at home and makes great one on one tackling.
We're screwed.

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4. Quarterback is very important! Assign a man to the quarterback. The quarterback must be tackled on every play. The quarterback is the key. If he is being tackled on every play, he will not be able to drop back and pass or run with the ball.
Like Garrard?
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Here's some info that may clarify what might be expected with the "wildcat" and how to counter it.:
Thanks for the info.

I like the idea of NFL teams trying different ideas, especially old school approaches. But with all 'trickery', the NFL has a way of equalizing over time. Reading Cloak's post, teams will just plan for it and obviously be somewhat aware of it's potential use. Miami has the personnel to make it work, so it's fun to watch. Hopefully our D is up to the task this week.
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