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Old 10-08-2008   #41
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I hope you are right Cloak because Sage got the Texans to the best lead they have ever had over the Colts. The first 3 and 1/2 quarters were the best football the Texans played all year. I just don't think Sage deserves to be dumped on so hard. People forget that Sage is one of the main reasons the Texans made it to 8-8 last season.

I like Schaub and I hope he turns out to be worth those 2 2nd round picks. But up until now he hasn't. The rest is up to him. Hopefully seeing Sage light it up against the Colts and also how the Texan players seemed to be playing with more fire with him in there will cause Schaub to play at a new level. One that wins us games and inspires the players around him.
I don't think it's fair to say Sage got the Texans the best lead they've ever had against the Colts. He wasn't playing defense and he wasn't blocking nor running the ball. That was a team effort. Everyone played better than they had been.


I really didn't see anything Sage did that stood out to me as him giving us an edge. He didn't do anything that Schaub can't do or hasn't done. In fact I think if Schaub had played in that game we would have won. But that's neither here not there...

Sage played a really good game up until those last minutes though.
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Schaub played poorly in the season opener, but wasn't really that bad against the Titans. Big letdown by his teammates - they dropped some key passes. Of course he played very well against the Jags.
The overall durability/toughness question about Schaub has to come into play again as an issue after his inabilty to start this past Sunday because of a flu-bug ? Seems like he could have atleast started, maybe not finish the game ? But then, I dunno much about what really happened ?
Bottom line is this. We will almost surely have the answer to this question by the end of the season, Schaubs second with the Texans, but right now I think it would be premature to expect a definitive answer.
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I look at the fact that the top qb's drafted the last 2 yrs got 30m guarantee and schaub got 18m. So I think he's probably worth it.
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Here's another question for all of you,do think if Matt had been playing in this game against the Colts would the Texans have scored 27 points?
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The overall durability/toughness question about Schaub has to come into play again as an issue after his inabilty to start this past Sunday because of a flu-bug ? Seems like he could have atleast started, maybe not finish the game ?
On Kubiak's radio show he said Schaub was in the hospital on Saturday and received 6 bags of fluids. He also said Schaub admitted he still felt weak but wanted to start the game.
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Here's another question for all of you,do think if Matt had been playing in this game against the Colts would the Texans have scored 27 points?
I do. Schaub has played so far this season without the benefit of a consistent running game. The backs broke off a couple long runs for Schaub, but nothing close to as consistent as Sunday's performance. Everytime Schaub has had a decent running game and decent protection, he's done well.
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The overall durability/toughness question about Schaub has to come into play again as an issue after his inabilty to start this past Sunday because of a flu-bug ? Seems like he could have atleast started, maybe not finish the game ? But then, I dunno much about what really happened ?
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Why does everybody assume that schaub took himself out of the lineup before the game and it wasn't a decision made by Kubiak? How do we know Schaub didn't go up to the coach sunday morning and say that he could go and Kubiak started sage anyway?
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Here's another question for all of you,do think if Matt had been playing in this game against the Colts would the Texans have scored 27 points?
His offense put up 27 the week before against Jacksonville, so why not?

Besides, our defense held Indy to 10 points most of the game. There is no reason to believe that this team would not have performed the same. They prepared all week with Schaub taking the snaps, and it was only on the morning of gameday that they learned Sage would be starting.

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Why does everybody assume that schaub took himself out of the lineup before the game and it wasn't a decision made by Kubiak? How do we know Schaub didn't go up to the coach sunday morning and say that he could go and Kubiak started sage anyway?
Reports that I've read said that Schaub wanted to play but Kubiak would not let him.
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Default Re: Has Schaub been worth his pay?

In a word NO

I'm a Schaub supporter but he hasn't done it yet.

I believe he will end up doing great things.

I am pretty sure he wouldn't have made the dumb mistakes Sage made.
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So far he hasn't been worth it.
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What leader sits out the game because his tummy hurts? He wouldn't have been the first professional athlete to pop a couple of Midol and play.
Lol ok. Pop a couple of midol and it's all better lol. Hmmm, I wonder why the doctors didn't think of that when he was in the hospital getting IV fluids all night. If Matt would have been able to play he would have,its that simple, but if you have a proven back-up in Sage why put in Matt when you know he won't be near at his best?
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Default Re: Has Schaub been worth his pay?

Contract-wise, I think it's a decent contract. Has he lived up to the $ amount? I'd have to say no, his play is under the dollar figure. You do have to take into account the 2 2nd round picks we gave up for him though. (the 2 spot drop in the 1st is moot since I'm assuming we would have drafted Amobi @ #8... actually 2 spots down might have saved us some dollars )

Looking back at the players we could/would have selected in the 2nd round the last two years- I still think it's a good deal. We'd have been rolling with Carr and/or Sage as the starter. In '07 i would have looked at CB Chris Houston, C Ryan Kalil, or maybe QB Drew Stanton? In '08 I would have looked at DE Calais Campbell, DE Jason Jones, a WR like Desean Jackson or Malcolm Kelly?? Hindsight is 20/20 and the players available at the spots we would have been picking (assuming same spots) don't really excite me to the point I'd say we would be THAT much better. We'd still have to pay both of them $, although there would be savings.

Or would we have gone a different route and drafted Brady Quinn in the 1st round? Would you feel better about having Quinn instead of Amobi?
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Default Re: Has Schaub been worth his pay?

Gil Brandt always says u start judggng qbs after 32 starts. I think if you look at the overral teams age and th car fiasco, then he's a good choice. He's young enoough to give the team good qb play and he can and will get better. Many will look at the 2 - 2nd picks which are valuable, but if he was in that draft, he would have been rated higher than quinn and russell. I bet if Atlanta had known about Vick, they wouldn't have traded himand never drafted Ryan. I actually wanted to go the cheap route with Sage and Joosh McCown or even Culpeppr and draft a youn guy late to develop.
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I believe that scenario is a likely. As I certainly understand I am in the minority, I feel that Sage still maintains the respect of the offense, and injects a strong element of excitement to the offense that Schaub doesn't. I felt that his "questionable" decisions at the end of the game were partly due to his enthusiasm to make the team look better and demonstrate his desire to gain a chance at the starting position. Things didn't unfortunately end that way. My guess is when Sage does get another chance at being at the helm, he will have learned from this episode and, at the same time, will not have to carry the burden of proving to be "superhuman." And he will get another opportunity.

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I hope you are right Cloak because Sage got the Texans to the best lead they have ever had over the Colts. The first 3 and 1/2 quarters were the best football the Texans played all year. I just don't think Sage deserves to be dumped on so hard. People forget that Sage is one of the main reasons the Texans made it to 8-8 last season.

I like Schaub and I hope he turns out to be worth those 2 2nd round picks. But up until now he hasn't. The rest is up to him. Hopefully seeing Sage light it up against the Colts and also how the Texan players seemed to be playing with more fire with him in there will cause Schaub to play at a new level. One that wins us games and inspires the players around him.
Agreed.

No, I don't believe Schaub has been worth what we paid and I do hope he goes on to be worth a lot more. At the same time, I believe that we should have fair competition for the QB position. I'm not saying Sage is the savior but, I like how he runs the offense and how the team responds to him. As I've said, to evaluate both QB's at this time would be to say we have 2 really good backup QB's.
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Saying that the offense works more "enthusiastically" with Sage is fools
gold. Schaub gets stuck playing ELITE defenses ON THE ROAD, while the
VAST majority of Sage's starts are AT HOME.

Huge difference.
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He's been hurt a lot. It's kind of like asking if Ahman has been worth it. I like both guys though. Schaub started to earn his money at Jax and needs to keep moving forward.
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I look at the fact that the top qb's drafted the last 2 yrs got 30m guarantee and schaub got 18m. So I think he's probably worth it.
You might want to kick in the loss of two 2nd round picks before you complete your evaluation.
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I got a question do you think shaub would have done the helicopter dance?
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