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Old 10-01-2008   #21
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Is it just me or are we having this kind of apocalyptic panic every time we play a string of teams that is decidedly better than are?

The long and short of this team is this. We are the Titans of the late 90's early 2000's. We are getting close. I don't think this is a team that will slowly climb from 7 wins to 12 or 13. This team, to me, will be a 7 winish team (8 or 9 is an outside possibility) for a couple of years (read that this and maybe next... though I really think next year will be a 11 or 12 win season). We have talent in a lot of places. We are missing talent in some key places. Add 3 or 4 guys to this defense and its instantly a vastly different team. I realize that you can say that about most teams... but you can actually do that in an off season.

I think the offense is much closer to what we saw in week 4 than what we saw in weeks 1 and 2. Its on defense that we need a few VERY key pieces to this puzzle. Plug in a big guy in the middle of the line. Replace greenwood. Get a real cover corner. This team is instantly better. Its nice to talk about how we didn't address the needs of this team last year or the year before last, but like everything else in football, its about small progressions keeping the situation manageable.

After the 2-14 season you weren't going to look up and go 13-3. You weren't going to go 10-6. You look to make up ground. Overhaul the OL (vastly different the next year and even more different the following year... now with brown we will finally get some continuity on the line and you guys will be amazed at what that does). Bring in a few components to build on, mario, demeco. Now you have manageable goals for the next year. Add some more pieces, if you can't add starters, add . Look at the roster turnover between years 1 and two of Kubes.

If you can't add starters, add depth. We've taken some gambles. Some haven't paid off (JJ yet) others have. Slaton on the other hand seems to be well on his way to paying off. JJ isn't bad depth, that's for sure. On DL, look at the posibility of having Mario,AO,TJ, and maybe Okam, if he develops (if not, another big guy in the middle) in the rotation. I'm a fan of turning AO into a DE at least part time, switching he and Mario and letting them stunt the hell out of the T/G.

There are bright spots for this team. I originally had us going 9-7... I bought into the hype so to speak because I think this is a 7-8 win team. Its a better team than last years, but its going to have some growing pains. We saw that in Pittsburgh. That was a disaster. We saw that on the punt return.. young players getting turned around... new players not sure of assignments... we'll see it again. Likely for a long time.


Not a fan of Smith's? I'm not saying I am president of his fan club. But I'm not president of the fire him club. Its pretty hard to run a defense when you're over matched talent wise. This just in.... we are over matched. Kind of hard to stop the run by scheming for it when your DL is undersized. I know we've got Okam but he's not ready. Not now. That's why he was a 6th rounder instead of a 2nd rounder.

The bottom line, is this is a team to wait on. How long did Tenn wait on mediocrity before coming dominant. I think we're that same kind of team. I see us putting people in poisition to play in this league for a long long time. If we're not vastly better by the middle of next year, starting to look like a 10+ win team... then its time to panic.

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Actually, I don't think its true panic. Its more frustration than anything else.
We're frustrated with the defense that can't hold anyone under 30 pts. We're frustrated with dumb decisions that cost us chances we can't afford to lose. We're frustrated with guys who haven't hit the same level of play they were at last year. We're frustrated with the fact that Ahman Green is still drawing a paycheck.

Its not panic. Its frustration.
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You're dodging his questions...

How many players on the Titans D would you trade str8 up for our guys ? Schemes be damned...

If you were starting a team, how many of our players would you choose if you could only pick from our defense and the Titans defense ? One starter from each position, how many Texans make the cut ?
This is the whole problem. IF you have a scheme, you get the players to make that scheme work. If they don't fit, get rid of them. This DC, if you can call him that, is running around with his head up his a$$ hoping this player or that player will work out. Know what you want and go after it. The Titans know what they want, The Eagles know what they want, The Steelers know.........
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What would the Titans D be ranked if Richard Smith was DC? How would our players have developed on D had they had Jim Schwartz at DC for the past 3 years? I wonder how many Titans players would be starting on the Texans D if that were the case.
You make some excellent points. If coaching and training didn't have an impact on player performance, there would be no coaches or practices. Talent helps, but players can be somewhat better or far worse depending on coaching, schemes, etc.
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Isn't that pretty much what we said last year?
that's what YOU said last year... I was perfectly well aware that this team is not a finished product. I've said every year, I expect improvement... I'm always the one everyone says "stop being so negative" to. At the beginning of the season I said this team had too many holes to compete and was an 8 or 9 win team. I also said it was more likely that we win fewer than 8 games than it was that we win 10.

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I'm going with 9-7. Its better than before I sat down and analyzed the schedule but I'm worried about 2 games, Cincy and Oak. Cincy because man they should be able to put up some points this year. I know about Chad, but I think he had a bad year. He'll be back.... and TJ WHOSYOMAMMA... our DBs are going to really struggle that game IMHO. With Oakland. Any team that can play defense can hang around. Those are the two pitfalls I can see. I think we will jump up and surprise too so I think 8-8 or 9-7. I don't see us doing much better or worse because there are as many winalble games as there are loseable games. Now the usual injury disclaimer applies.
A lot of people are mad because this team is what it is. This isn't the colts at 1-2. This is a team that is very average who is 0-3. Sit down. Rank the teams from 1-32. I bet you don't get past 10 before you've put all the teams we've played in there. Its the perfect storm folks. We start with a well coached very prepared 3-4 defense. Then we get a titans team that is better than anyone imagined (I think I just threw up in my mouth a lil) and then a Jags team who everyone knows is always half a step behind the top tier teams in the league. Oh and they were road games.

The team looks better every week. Our defense will hamper us throughout the year though. We're just not yet there. But if you don't see the pieces starting to fall in place... you're watching from a 11-5 perspective instead of reality.

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who the hell are you?
and what did you do with TexanMike???

Actually, I don't think its true panic. Its more frustration than anything else.
We're frustrated with the defense that can't hold anyone under 30 pts. We're frustrated with dumb decisions that cost us chances we can't afford to lose. We're frustrated with guys who haven't hit the same level of play they were at last year. We're frustrated with the fact that Ahman Green is still drawing a paycheck.

Its not panic. Its frustration.
I haven't changed, the team has. I try to stay pretty even keeled. When ya'll are too high... I try to dampen the euphoria, because we're not there yet.. when ya'll get too low... I try to bring it back up. As much as I enjoy getting lost in euphoria and hate drowning in dispair on sundays, once the game is over, I enjoy being objective. Maybe that's why I'm such a content fan lol

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"Is it just me or are we having this kind of apocalyptic panic every time we play a string of teams that is decidedly better than are?"


Therein lies the problem. After 7 years and 3 years of Kubiak probably 13 of the 16 games we play are against teams better than us.
Well when you consistently play in the best division in football... and you're building a team, you expect that right off the bat you are going to be the underdog in 6 of your games..

We really started in reverse. This team was worse after four years than it was in its first year. What Kubes and Smith have done over a 3 year period is pretty impressive. The inconsistency and struggles against real good teams are to be expected.

Sit back, enjoy the average team you follow. When they lose to 3 playoff teams, don't get too down... when they beat bottom feeders.. don't get too high... the season will require much less medication if you do that.

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I was surprised a couple of times over the past couple of days.

I usually leave NFLN or ESPN on in the background when I work and in a couple of different instances over the past couple of days, guys on the TV have stated that they think the Texans are better than most people think. IIRC, one of those guys was Terrel Davis. Unfortunately, the other one was Skip Bayliss.

So, we're pretty much doomed.
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Cmon man seriously maddogmrb are you telling me we should of won any of the games we played so far? This season was expected to start slow.
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Seriously, that is NOT what I said at all. What I said is that the problem is that after 7 years, we are still worse than at least 13 of the teams/games on our schedule.

I dont agree, I guess we'll see. Alot of people are going to have to eat some crow around here after this season IMO.
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It does say something about team when the 'reason' they can't win a game is because we shouldn't expect to win against teams A, B, and C.

Team D coming up.
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It's really not a stretch to say we could be sitting right now at 2-1. Honestly.
If only we were that team Kubiak said we were at the beginning of the year, which is a team on the verge of getting in the playoffs. Or not being happy with anything less than a playoff berth this year. A team really hungry to win.
In spite of one of the most miserable performances ever in Pittsburgh (including the first couple years of this teams existance), we could have gone on the next week and won in Nashville because the Titans seemed to be doing everything they could to give us that game. The breaks early on went our way, but we took advanatage of none of them. And we finally played a game last week, but failed again at the end to make the play(s) necessary to win, while the Jags did.
All I can tell Gary Kubiak is talk is cheap, it means nothing without backing it up.
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that's what YOU said last year...
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Actually no, that is not what I said last year. I said they would be lucky to duplicate their record if they didn't substantially upgrade the defense in the offseason.

I appreciate your optimism but, if you look at our schedule please tell me which teams we are decidely better than and should be a "no doubt" victory for us. IMO, that would be none! Therefore, we are still in the bottom 4th of our league and it is a stretch to call us an "average" team.
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Actually no, that is not what I said last year. I said they would be lucky to duplicate their record if they didn't substantially upgrade the defense in the offseason.

I appreciate your optimism but, if you look at our schedule please tell me which teams we are decidely better than and should be a "no doubt" victory for us. IMO, that would be none! Therefore, we are still in the bottom 4th of our league and it is a stretch to call us an "average" team.
Perhaps I have not made it clear. I'm not calling this a playoff year. I'm saying that those that were, will be disappointed. I'm saying that this is still a building year and that we have added significant pieces to the puzzle. I just don't think that we're as bad as we've looked, I also don't think we're as good as many thought that we were. I think this is a 7-9 win team.

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in my stronger moments i'm reminded to go over to ht.com and look at our roster and sort the names by number of years in the league. it's refreshing to remember that 70% of our team is in it's 3rd or 4th year. our oline are babies, we could get alot better with the players we have.

in my weaker moments, until we change DC's and get more talented players....
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