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Old 09-30-2008   #1
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Default New options for defensive coordinator?

It's unlikely Dick Smith will be fired mid-season, but his head will roll after the season is over. Any ideas for a replacement? I'm holding out hope that Marvin Lewis will get fired in Cincinnati and we snap him up the same day.

Alternatively, I'd love to see Ron Rivera opposite Kyle S as well.

I still think Kubiak is the right coach for this team, but we really need some creative genius on the defensive side of the ball. There's too much talent and talent potential to be tapped to be this bad.
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If Frank Bush was Kubiak's original choice, I have little doubt that Bush will get the DC job once Smith is gone.

But man, it would be nice to see Rivera here.
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Really?? Is there?? Who?

I'll give you Mario, Demeco, Amobi, I'll even throw in Bennett.

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If Frank Bush was Kubiak's original choice, I have little doubt that Bush will get the DC job once Smith is gone.
If Bush is the guy Kubiak wants, why are the bothering with Smith? Are you telling me that it is because they don't want to buy him out? He is getting paid anyway, as is Bush. I don't buy it myself, I honestly believed if Smith wasn't the guy they wanted now, and the best they felt was available, that they would make a move.
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Really?? Is there?? Who?

I'll give you Mario, Demeco, Amobi, I'll even throw in Bennett.
When you have players that come up big (Think Cortland Finnegan for the Titans) for your squad throughout the year, you are much better off. But we haven't had any good player development really from most of our non superstars. We can't have a team full of pro bowlers to have a great, good, or even competent defense.

The fact that our players not named Mario, DeMeco, and Fred means that there is something very fudged with player development.
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When you have players that come up big (Think Cortland Finnegan for the Titans) for your squad throughout the year, you are much better off. But we haven't had any good player development really from most of our non superstars. We can't have a team full of pro bowlers to have a great, good, or even competent defense.

The fact that our players not named Mario, DeMeco, and Fred means that there is something very fudged with player development.
I guess my question is whether there is the talent there to develop, you can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh.....
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If Frank Bush was Kubiak's original choice, I have little doubt that Bush will get the DC job once Smith is gone.

But man, it would be nice to see Rivera here.
Frank Bush was Kubiak's original choice to be co-coordinator with Richard Smith, but the Cardinals wouldn't let him go. He had worked with Smith before back in the day.

Nothing in Bush's background that makes you go, gee, he's the guy to take us to the promised land:

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Would love to see Ron Rivera come in. If Cleveland and/or the 49ers have a bad year and Mike Nolan and/or Romeo Crennel is let go I'd like to take a look at them as well.
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Really?? Is there?? Who?

I'll give you Mario, Demeco, Amobi, I'll even throw in Bennett.



If Bush is the guy Kubiak wants, why are the bothering with Smith? Are you telling me that it is because they don't want to buy him out? He is getting paid anyway, as is Bush. I don't buy it myself, I honestly believed if Smith wasn't the guy they wanted now, and the best they felt was available, that they would make a move.
It's not a pay thing. At the time that the Texans were looking for DCs, there weren't a bunch of great candidates out there. The Texans went with Smith, and Smith has had a number of reasons why things weren't going well (transition from the 3-4, offense can't hold onto the ball, key injuries). McNair is a patient owner and wants to get fair judgment of performance. The things that are most problematic about Smith is his problems with adjusting in game to stuff that is happening on the field (the obvious example is the Lee Evans abomination game or the recent Garrard runfest).

The Texans usually let people get out of the organization with some sort of honor intact if they can. Palmer is really the only exception to that.
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apparently its not what you know its who you know
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Would love to see Ron Rivera come in. If Cleveland and/or the 49ers have a bad year and Mike Nolan and/or Romeo Crennel is let go I'd like to take a look at them as well.
49'ers let nolan go we could grab Singletary.

Crennel does the 3-4. Not a fan....we need a pass rushing DE to complete the 4-3
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Maybe Rod Marinelli if he gets fired by Detroit
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apparently its not what you know its who you know
Who you know actually does matter too.

One of the problems with the early Texans teams is that Casserly hired a mishmash of people whose philosophies really didn't work together well.

Yes, it is important to be good at what you do, but given how much time they work together and how important it is to be on the same page, having coaches that are familiar with each other saves on getting to know you time.

All that being said, the Smith-Bush combo, or Smith alone as DC, wasn't a particularly exciting hire for me, despite the fact that McClain knew them back in the day.
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But if you're a crappy cook, you can make the most expensive and wonderful ingredients taste like chicken sh...

And I think there's talent on this team. I think there's talent on this defense and if they're used correctly, they can be good. We just have to use them to their strengths and try to hide their weaknesses. That's what every good coordinator does.
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If Marvin Lewis is available he should be the choice IMO. I think there is little doubt he will be fired. In fact if he was fired tomorrow I would be telling Smith hidey ho while holding my cell phone to my ear waiting for Lewis to answer.
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[quote=kiwitexansfan;1011139]Really?? Is there?? Who?

I'll give you Mario, Demeco, Amobi, I'll even throw in Bennett.


I wont give you Amobi at this point! I was very high on this pick but Amobi has not shown much on either pass or run defense. It also makes me nervous when I hear media types say thing like "he really lights up and shows passion talking about his foundation but does not show the same passion about football".

Mario is playing out of his mind so far this year and looks great. Demeco is playing well but has gotten out of position at times to cover the fact Diles has broken from his assigment, Bennett has talent but got himself pulled Sunday for whatever reason.

I like to think Mario, Demeco, Dunta and Bennett as well as Amobi will be the great talent but right now on two of those guys are studs. We need more spped at LB to help Demeco and a real thumber to make people afraid in the middle. Ryans has great instincts and a nose for the ball but he is not a knock out hitter so we need to getr one next to him.
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How about http://www.IwillpeeinmypantsforRonRi...coodinator.com

Now that, I would gladly, and proudly, pee in my pants for.
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If Bush is the guy Kubiak wants, why are the bothering with Smith? Are you telling me that it is because they don't want to buy him out? He is getting paid anyway, as is Bush. I don't buy it myself, I honestly believed if Smith wasn't the guy they wanted now, and the best they felt was available, that they would make a move.
I'm not trying to tell you anything, especially the reason(s) behind the 'loyalty' to Richard Smith in spite of 2+ seasons of sub-par defense.

Perhaps you're right and Smith is the best that they thought they could get. We will probably never know any truth outside of the official company press conference.

He was unproven when he got here, and he's proven nothing positive since he's been here. If talent is the problem, then he should be blamed for that, too, simply because he was part of the evaluation process.

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Frank Bush was Kubiak's original choice to be co-coordinator with Richard Smith, but the Cardinals wouldn't let him go. He had worked with Smith before back in the day.

Nothing in Bush's background that makes you go, gee, he's the guy to take us to the promised land:

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I didn't realize that he was the original choice to be co-coordinator. How many teams run a co-coordinator system? The whole approach seems flawed, and the results speak for themselves at the end of the day.

And I forgot Bush was part of the 35-3 debacle. He's tainted. It's bad juju to be here. Get rid of both of them and get a proven defensive coordinator (like successful teams do).

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And I think there's talent on this team. I think there's talent on this defense and if they're used correctly, they can be good. We just have to use them to their strengths and try to hide their weaknesses. That's what every good coordinator does.
I feel the same way. I've seen too many examples in the NFL over the years where a new coach can breath fresh life into the same talent.
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49'ers let nolan go we could grab Singletary.

Crennel does the 3-4. Not a fan....we need a pass rushing DE to complete the 4-3
I think I remember reading that Singletary would love to coach for the Texans. But this was like last year, so I'm not really sure.
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I think I remember reading that Singletary would love to coach for the Texans. But this was like last year, so I'm not really sure.
That's an interesting idea. I would definitely like to see someone come in here that believes in pressure defense. I think that is what this team is built for- evidence on the field notwithstanding. Here's why, looking to 2009:

1. Significant talent and depth at CB: DRobinson, Bennett, Molden, Reeves are all CBs with the skills to hold up well and play the ball for a few seconds.

2. Undersized but fairly talented DTs: TJ, Okoye- they should both be playing one gap most of the time.

3. Mario's presence on the field demands special attention and would free up a lot of things for weakside and overloaded blitzes, etc. An agressive and talented D.C. could have Mario isolated on the lineman of his choice or have a blitzer running free most of the game.

4. An offense with the ability to score. Therefore, if the defense focuses on turnovers and big plays with agressiveness, it increases the tempo of the game and therefore increases the number of posessions for the offense.

5. I'm a frustrated fan that would like to see something differenet... like an agressive defense because the idea of beating the heck out of the opposing QB sounds good, even if the style of defense doesn't make much football sense.
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I think one of the most underrated things about pro football is the importance of assistant coaches. Those guys are the "teachers" of the positions that make everything in the unit go. They all coordinate with the coordinator. They "coach up" the players and get the young guys ready to play and develop. Belichek is one of the best db coaches period. That's why they seem to win with low rd picks like samuels,sanders, and a list of no names. Hell, they even won with a receiver playing db. Look at how many lb's indy has lost to free agency. U can start with mike peterson, marcus washington, cato june to name a few. Not only that, look at guys like bethea,jackson, sanders, and other that have played well in that secondary.Now many will point to the cover 2 and stuff, but detroit plays the same and so does kc, but they're players aren't playing at the same level as those guys.

Now to the main topic, who would be a great dc? The usual suspects like the fired hc like lewis,nolan, plus rivera, singletary and guys like that make sense also. They can also raid guys from successful defenses especially in division like washburn in tenn or teerlink in indy. Whom ever they decide must be able to bring in coaches that can coach the positions the way he wants. The philosophy of that side needs to be established to mesh with the talent that's here now and in the future. We know some dc's like a certain type of player to play his style. Looking at the time it took the giants defense to adapt to the style of spags last yr tells you it takes time and talent. I personally like the ideas of say like lewis when he gets fired. I think he would like to get another 2 gapper lke okam and slide Okoye to the end spot like gb did with jenkins and giants did with tuck. I also like the diversity of teerlink from indy. He's coaching a 1 gap stunt front in indy, but he was a good coach with fisher also. Washburn has some 1 gap principles too, but he's a stunt front kind of guy to genate pressure. Theres a lot of good candidates, they just need get it right.
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