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Old 09-30-2008   #21
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Unless you're rebuilding. God, I hope we're not entering a rebuilding phase. We never even built anything to be rebuilt
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You guys are unreal.

Panic mode sets in because we have lost 3 games. Now you want to trade one of the best receivers in the NFL. For hit or miss draft picks. We have a know player in AJ.

We lost the first game against the STEELERS who came out ready to crush anyone they played. They were getting murdered in their hometown papers for having a lousy defense.

Was not able to see game 2 - no power. Half of the Houston area had no power. Would your mind be on football with all that was going on here?

The offense looked pretty good against the Jags. Defense was iffy. Reeves is a problem. Said as soon as they picked him that he was horrible. He can cover but has absolutely no ball awareness skills. He could knock most of the passes away if he knew where the ball was.

I love football. I love the Texans - good, bad or indifferent. We have a team in Houston. I will support it win or lose. Most of the posts here have become extremely negative. There are a lot of teams in the NFL that had had a long history or losing for many many years. We have not been around long enough to go through what the Lions or Cardinals or Tampa Bay or even the Pats have been through or the Raiders for the past few years. Dallas may win games - but how long has it been since they won a playoff game?

Are we making progress? Yup. Are we looking better that game 1? Yup. Do we have one of the hardest opening few games? Yup. Is 3 or 4 or 5 loses at the end of the year bad? Nope.

Was Rome build in a day? There are no 60 second solutions. Can one always get the players they want? You have to make do with what you have. Do we have the best coaches? Again, you have to make do with what you have. If you guys are sooo good at evaluating talent - why aren't you coaching in the NFL? If you guys are soo good at coaching - why aren't you coaching in the NFL?

Why don't we support our team and stop tearing it apart.
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Some people who post on here haven't finished their freshman year in college yet. Just sayin.

This thread wasn't meant to start a trade AJ debate. It was to bring up the awareness that AJ looks like he doesn't want to be here sometimes. I guess that Tennessee game and a few of his antics last Sunday kind of made me ask the question. However, that could only be AJ's desire to win.
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I don't think DeMeco has really been playing up to his usual standards either. The whole team is just in a funk, but they are coming out of it. The last game was lost on a no-time-out play. The one before that was at least partially on a no-red-flag play. I'm not one of the fire Kubes crowd, but the play on the field hasn't been the biggest problem since Pittsburgh. Kubes is making some whopper mistakes....and we're still stuck with Richard Smith, who, as my avatar states, I would like to see gone by next season.

Only way I'd trade AJ would be for Hershel Walker/Ricky Williams type draft numbers OR several already proven, good players that fit definite needs on this team. AJ is is going to be this team's Hakeem. He has not even quite reached his potential yet. Besides that, he is just in a temporary funk.
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You guys are unreal.

Panic mode sets in because we have lost 3 games. Now you want to trade one of the best receivers in the NFL. For hit or miss draft picks. We have a know player in AJ.

We lost the first game against the STEELERS who came out ready to crush anyone they played. They were getting murdered in their hometown papers for having a lousy defense.

Was not able to see game 2 - no power. Half of the Houston area had no power. Would your mind be on football with all that was going on here?

The offense looked pretty good against the Jags. Defense was iffy. Reeves is a problem. Said as soon as they picked him that he was horrible. He can cover but has absolutely no ball awareness skills. He could knock most of the passes away if he knew where the ball was.

I love football. I love the Texans - good, bad or indifferent. We have a team in Houston. I will support it win or lose. Most of the posts here have become extremely negative. There are a lot of teams in the NFL that had had a long history or losing for many many years. We have not been around long enough to go through what the Lions or Cardinals or Tampa Bay or even the Pats have been through or the Raiders for the past few years. Dallas may win games - but how long has it been since they won a playoff game?

Are we making progress? Yup. Are we looking better that game 1? Yup. Do we have one of the hardest opening few games? Yup. Is 3 or 4 or 5 loses at the end of the year bad? Nope.

Was Rome build in a day? There are no 60 second solutions. Can one always get the players they want? You have to make do with what you have. Do we have the best coaches? Again, you have to make do with what you have. If you guys are sooo good at evaluating talent - why aren't you coaching in the NFL? If you guys are soo good at coaching - why aren't you coaching in the NFL?

Why don't we support our team and stop tearing it apart.
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You don't trade the best player on the team.
I absolutely agree. No way they should trade Kevin Walter.
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Default Re: Just some thoughts and asking for your point of view.

I hear about Johnson this and johnson that and I think he's a good player, but he's not as good as some think. He has c hands, a body catcher, and when was the last time he's broken tackles and got yac? I mean moulds was a really good player on some bad buffalo teams. Jimmy Smith had qb carosels. At some point you just hve to do ur part. Stop dropping passes and letting them bounce off your chest. Be a threat after the catch like marshall,boudin, and t.o., and just play ball.

As far as trading him, everyone has a trade value, but u don't give him away. Plus he's signed for a minute anyway.
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I love football. I love the Texans - good, bad or indifferent. We have a team in Houston. I will support it win or lose.
To each his own, but I've set my bar a little higher. My personal standard for my own satisfaction with the Texans is higher than 'they exist in Houston'.
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at this point i woldnt mind if we traded AJ hes a bust ..............
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I don't believe you guys. Andre Johnson is the best player we've got. You wanna find the donut hole this season this would be the quickest way to get there. You don't trade the rainmaker...even if he's had a couple of off games. A.J. makes everyone else on the offense better. He's a once in a generation receiver. You won't replace him easily.
Well said, threetoedpete. You do not make progress through regression.
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If we can get two 1st or a 1st and a 2nd then I would do that trade in a heart beat. It looking more and more like AJ doesn't want to be here, and I don't want to keep him here if he doesn't want to play for us. Of course this is all speculation and we all know he's not going to come right out and say it, so we wont really know.

But Philly might be willing to do this trade, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe they have two 1st rounder for this years draft.

But you gotta wonder how the locker room would react if that scenario would go through.
Really, a 1 and a 2...? For, at worse case, the 5th best WR in football...? WHo do you draft with those two picks to equal AJ? Id love to hear how giving up the best player on your team for 2 draft picks makes aus better...?
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To each his own, but I've set my bar a little higher. My personal standard for my own satisfaction with the Texans is higher than 'they exist in Houston'.
Preaching to the chior.

I would have to think about trading AJ if Philly offered us Sheppard & 2 no.1's
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Preaching to the chior.

I would have to think about trading AJ if Philly offered us Sheppard & 2 no.1's
Yep. At the very least find out what his value is. Folks around here enjoy mediocrity a little to much. If you want a first class organization, you need to have a strong drive for results. I ain't advocating trading perhaps our fourth to fifth best player currently on the offense, and most expensive. I just want to know what his value is on the open market. At the very least it may light a fire under his arse.
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You guys are unreal.

Panic mode sets in because we have lost 3 games. Now you want to trade one of the best receivers in the NFL. For hit or miss draft picks. We have a know player in AJ.

We lost the first game against the STEELERS who came out ready to crush anyone they played. They were getting murdered in their hometown papers for having a lousy defense.

Was not able to see game 2 - no power. Half of the Houston area had no power. Would your mind be on football with all that was going on here?

The offense looked pretty good against the Jags. Defense was iffy. Reeves is a problem. Said as soon as they picked him that he was horrible. He can cover but has absolutely no ball awareness skills. He could knock most of the passes away if he knew where the ball was.

I love football. I love the Texans - good, bad or indifferent. We have a team in Houston. I will support it win or lose. Most of the posts here have become extremely negative. There are a lot of teams in the NFL that had had a long history or losing for many many years. We have not been around long enough to go through what the Lions or Cardinals or Tampa Bay or even the Pats have been through or the Raiders for the past few years. Dallas may win games - but how long has it been since they won a playoff game?

Are we making progress? Yup. Are we looking better that game 1? Yup. Do we have one of the hardest opening few games? Yup. Is 3 or 4 or 5 loses at the end of the year bad? Nope.

Was Rome build in a day? There are no 60 second solutions. Can one always get the players they want? You have to make do with what you have. Do we have the best coaches? Again, you have to make do with what you have. If you guys are sooo good at evaluating talent - why aren't you coaching in the NFL? If you guys are soo good at coaching - why aren't you coaching in the NFL?

Why don't we support our team and stop tearing it apart.
Just because you're content with being 0-3, don't expect the rest of the Texans fans base to find that acceptable. You say that the team is improving, well our record doesn't indicate that it is, nor does one good offensive performance out of the three.

And you can reference all of those teams that struggled for years and even decades, but no passionate fan wants to repeat what they did and compare their franchise to ones that had extremely long periods of down years to make themselves feel comfort in losing seasons. That is absolutely insane and an under achieving type of mentality. It's great that you support the team and find sunshine no matter what happens, but don't criticize others or question their unconditional support for the Texans just because they want to improve and voice their opinions as to where this team is falling short. The posts that you find so negative are not negative, when they're pointing out inefficiencies as they see them to be. I don't see or hear anyone in here saying that they're swapping teams or throwing their jerseys away. Their venting their frustrations because their are fans out there that actually want to be above mediocraty and don't find comfort in simply staying a float or below 500. We support our team and root for them no matter what, but we will expect rather than simply hope to continually improve.
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Yep. At the very least find out what his value is. Folks around here enjoy mediocrity a little to much. If you want a first class organization, you need to have a strong drive for results. I ain't advocating trading perhaps our fourth to fifth best player currently on the offense, and most expensive. I just want to know what his value is on the open market. At the very least it may light a fire under his arse.
I love some AJ, but that deal would be a no brainer. No way on earth Philly would do something like that though. Two 1st rounders and a really solid CB that has been to two Pro Bowls. Cassery and Millen don't work in the front office of Philly.
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I don't believe you guys. Andre Johnson is the best player we've got. You wanna find the donut hole this season this would be the quickest way to get there. You don't trade the rainmaker...even if he's had a couple of off games. A.J. makes everyone else on the offense better. He's a once in a generation receiver. You won't replace him easily.
I floated this last season too. If you agree that we're a few seasons away from being a serious playoff caliber team, than it would make sense to at least listen to offers.

Yes AJ is one of 3 studs on this team, but if a trade could be made in our favor, then I wouldn't mind it. It better be a damn good one though!
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I don't think there is a team in existence that wouldn't give that deal a thought for any given superstud player. Save for Brady and Manning, I think most teams would give that offer some serious consideration.

The problem is that it's Lalaland to act like that is anywhere near a realistic NFL deal.

Real Men of Genius salutes you, Mr. Preposterous Trade Proposal Guy!
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I don't think there is a team in existence that wouldn't give that deal a thought for any given superstud player. Save for Brady and Manning, I think most teams would give that offer some serious consideration.

The problem is that it's Lalaland to act like that is anywhere near a realistic NFL deal.

Real Men of Genius salutes you, Mr. Preposterous Trade Proposal Guy!
How about a teams next 50 years of 7th rounders?
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I think it would be dumb to trade AJ for draft picks only. However, if we could trade for help on our defense like a stud DE opposite Mario or a shutdown corner along with another mediocre player thrown in (or a draft pick) I think it would be worth considering. AJ has been started to get injured more easily (missed 10 games in the last 3 years), and you have to wonder how long his health and speed will stay with him. It’s not like he is old (27) – this is only his 5th year in the league. Our WR corps has been a bit of a strength but without AJ if one of our WR goes down – we could be in trouble quick. I probably wouldn’t have even considered this – but considering his ho-hum attitude and past injuries?

Finding a dance partner would be tough – not sure who has the positions we covet that would be wiling to give them up for AJ. I know one thing for sure – if we traded him it would haunt us and if we keep him it will probably bite us somehow – just like the majority of personnel decisions we face LOSE - LOSE!
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