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Old 04-28-2013   #1
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I have to say that I am worried with what we are going into the season with as of now at the NT position. IMO Earl Mitchell and our 6th round pick, Chris Jones, are not going to be able to do too good of a job at stopping the run. At least we will have 2 big ILB if Brooks Reed moves inside. If I was Rick Smith I would have drafted Montori Hughes (NT Tennessee-Martin) instead of Sam Montgomery and then drafted Ty Powell (OLB Harding) in the 6th. Can't really see Montgomery doing it in coverage, hope I'm wrong.

On a side note I would have liked to see us pick up Keith Pough (ILB Howard) and Jasper Collins (WR Mount Union).

What do you guys think?
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I believe that healthy and positive ILB play can hide a subpar NT. You cant have both however as evidenced by last year, we were soft up the middle in both respects. Cush will bring everything back to normal.

I am concerned that an ILB wasnt drafted, Brooks Reed moving to that position isnt an immediate fix IMO, he will still need time to acclimate.
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Big picture moment. I think no team is ever complete in this league and every unit will be constantly purged and replenished with new talent. How efficient we are at this will determine what type of organization we are. I think we are pretty much set at WR, OL, and secondary. As long as we stay healthy in the front 7 and we get the most out of our young guys we will be extremely tough to deal with from a defensive perspective.

We still need upgrades at NT, ILB, a replacement for A Smith, OLBs to step forward, a #1 TE and the next QB to lead this team.

But this team is built to win right now, and for the foreseeable future. Good times to be a Texans fan indeed.
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I trust Wade to alter his defense to better utilize the talent he has at the moment. with Jamison back in the fold we now have four solid 3-4 ends who are all capable of stuffing the run while Reed will offer a unique blitzing option from the inside to help cover our inside lineman.

With this secondary, the primary objective for this defense as a whole will be to force passing situations where Wade can send an onslaught of young pass rushers into the backfield. I seriously doubt he will overlook finding systems that use his players' strengths in order to stop the run on early downs and force third and longs. In other words, In Wade I Trust.
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Maybe my memory is just awful, but I don't remember being overly concerned last year with being punished up the middle in the run game.
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NT and ILB remain the biggest concern for the team after the draft.
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Maybe my memory is just awful, but I don't remember being overly concerned last year with being punished up the middle in the run game.
During the regular season this is not so much a concern. It's when you get into the playoff, if you have a weakness it will be exploited. Our goal is to get to the SB and not get knocked out early, again.
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Maybe my memory is just awful, but I don't remember being overly concerned last year with being punished up the middle in the run game.
It was bad. Especially after Cush went down.
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Maybe my memory is just awful, but I don't remember being overly concerned last year with being punished up the middle in the run game.

We were 7th against the run. 9th in points allowed.

The run game only hurt us twice. Against New England in the regular season & against the Colts @ Indy. Even All day had a rough day going up the middle against us.

True, the main reason our run defense looks so good on paper, was that we played with the lead most of the time. But our defense overall (including the run D) helped us get there.

We don't run a traditional 3-4, our NT is no more a NT than Jj Watt is a 3-4 DE. Seth Payne would have killed in this defense.
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We were 7th against the run. 9th in points allowed.
We were tied for #1 in points allowed by rushing.
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We were 7th against the run. 9th in points allowed.

The run game only hurt us twice. Against New England in the regular season & against the Colts @ Indy. Even All day had a rough day going up the middle against us.

True, the main reason our run defense looks so good on paper, was that we played with the lead most of the time. But our defense overall (including the run D) helped us get there.

We don't run a traditional 3-4, our NT is no more a NT than Jj Watt is a 3-4 DE. Seth Payne would have killed in this defense.

Does anyone have any averages?

Just curious.
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I trust Wade to alter his defense to better utilize the talent he has at the moment.
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Ideally, you want your NT to demand the C/OG double team. This opens up the blitz lane for the ILB. If either the C or OG can handle the NT one-on-one, this leaves the other to block on the ILB.

Both the Colts and the Titans drafted OG and C. We'll have to wait & see, but I don't see Mitchell and Jones being dominating - adequate, maybe, but Wade will have to perform his magic to cover this hole, again.
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Ideally, you want your NT to demand the C/OG double team. This opens up the blitz lane for the ILB. If either the C or OG can handle the NT one-on-one, this leaves the other to block on the ILB.
Wade runs a one-gap system. His lineman do not sit and hold up blocks. They shoot gaps and penetrate. With this style they can disrupt the interior of the line and the LB's can clean up. Wade utilizes a lot of different blitzes to get his LB's in unblocked.
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We'll sign a FA.

We can wait until teams cut someone.

I think Seymour may still be out there....
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Wade runs a one-gap system. His lineman do not sit and hold up blocks. They shoot gaps and penetrate. With this style they can disrupt the interior of the line and the LB's can clean up. Wade utilizes a lot of different blitzes to get his LB's in unblocked.
It doesn't matter how Wade uses his NT; when the opponent decide to double-team or combo-block the NT, they still do it.
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I'm not worried about NT at all. We allowed a grand total of 5 rushing touchdowns last year. We were also top 10 in both rush yards per game and yards per rush. And that was with Cushing down for more than half the season.
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I'm not worried about NT at all. We allowed a grand total of 5 rushing touchdowns last year. We were also top 10 in both rush yards per game and yards per rush. And that was with Cushing down for more than half the season.
Numbers can be deceiving. Remember 2010 when the Texans had the worst defense in the league? Our rush defense wasn't bad, but that's because it was skewed. Why would teams run when they could just throw it around the whole time?
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David Hunter still has 2 years on his contract and Terrell McClain is signed through 2013.

At least McClain was the #65 pick of the Panthers and Wade likes Hunter enough to activate him to the 53-man roster during the season.

Perhaps Wade saw something there that he likes.
And who knows, the Texans can still add a vet if they feel like it.
Maybe they'll bring back Cody at veteran minimum.
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At least McClain was the #65 pick of the Panthers
Amobi Okoye was the 10th pick of the draft...

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Amobi Okoye was the 10th pick of the draft...

Hey, I'm looking at McClain as a back-up, which is the norm for a third-rounder.
On top of that McClain is cheap.
He only costs 555K, less than Jared Crick or any fourth rounder we sign this year.
He's like $220K cheaper than Jamison.
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