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Old 04-26-2013   #1
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Default Is there a problem with Yates?

In following the draft, I see a lot of people suggesting we take a QB (Geno Smith particularly, though I see some others mentioned for round 2-3). I'm wondering if there is some problem with TJ Yates that I missed?

I know there are people unhappy with Schaub, but are people also unhappy with Yates? Or, was there an injury or something that I missed? Two seasons ago, I thought Yates looked good, and I thought most people were pretty happy with him. Did I miss something last year that has made people think he has regressed or did he get hurt or something?

Anyone new we draft is going to be sitting behind Schaub (and I would have thought Yates) for a year or two in any case. And, it's not as though we have an opportunity to draft Andrew Luck or something this year. Anyone we draft is going to be sitting for a while first, with the hope that he'll eventually be able to be a starting-quaity QB. It seems to me that we already have that in Yates (unless I missed something), and given that we have areas where we need players, I don't get why we would spend a high-round pick on some "project" QB.

I haven't followed the draft as closely this year, so maybe the QB prospects are better than I realize, but it seems odd for us to use one of our higher remainnig draft picks on a position where I thought we were already OK, and we have little chance of a short-term improvement from the pick.
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From everything I've seen or read, Kubes is still pretty high on Yates and Keenum. I'd be shocked if they took a QB before the 5th. I would take a slide of historic proportions, imho.

This year is Yates' year to show a big jump and prove he can push Schaub for the starting job. If he doesn't do that, then Keenum would likely get a shot to show what he can do and start pushing Yates for the back up position.
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yea.

he sucks.

Dont give that he's a rookie bullcrap.

That's no longer an excuse with RG3, Wilson, and Luck.

The fact that kubiak is high on him makes me feel even more confident that he sucks.

Kubiak is absolute trash when picking QBs:

Schaub
Orlovsky
Rosencopter
Beck
Grossman
Yates
Keenum

There's a trend here folks. I would absolutely love to take a shot at Geno Smith who will be the next randy moss in this draft (ridiculous personal character shots which in turn gets passed over which in turn creates a huge chip on his shoulder which in turn drives him to be a great player).

We get Geno Smith that is a threat to Schaub. It will push schaub. Schaub will finally start looking over his shoulder. Something that has never happened to schaub.

I would absolutely take a gamble on Geno Smith.
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Default Re: Is there a problem with Yates?

There are fans that think Schaub can't get it done and they don't think Yates or Keenum can, either. So they want to take whatever QB happens to be around in a class of crap QBs.

And then there's 76Texan who's totally convinced himself that Keenum is a future HOFer.

Yates showed a lot of guts his rookie year but in the limited time he's had since then, he hasn't shown any progress.

I think next year will have a better crop of QBs (from what I've heard) so I think next year is when we draft Schaub's replacement and give him a couple of years to get up to speed. Assuming, of course, that Yates isn't progressing and ready to take the spot.
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There are fans that think Schaub can't get it done and they don't think Yates or Keenum can, either. So they want to take whatever QB happens to be around in a class of crap QBs.

And then there's 76Texan who's totally convinced himself that Keenum is a future HOFer.

Yates showed a lot of guts his rookie year but in the limited time he's had since then, he hasn't shown any progress.

I think next year will have a better crop of QBs (from what I've heard) so I think next year is when we draft Schaub's replacement and give him a couple of years to get up to speed. Assuming, of course, that Yates isn't progressing and ready to take the spot.
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yea.

he sucks.

Dont give that he's a rookie bullcrap.

That's no longer an excuse with RG3, Wilson, and Luck.

The fact that kubiak is high on him makes me feel even more confident that he sucks.

Kubiak is absolute trash when picking QBs:

Schaub
Orlovsky
Rosencopter
Beck
Grossman
Yates
Keenum

There's a trend here folks.
Yep , there's a trend here .... a bunch of bargin bin picks , UDFA's and rejects compared to the top two picks in last years draft.

Yates won you a playoff game as a rookie - neither RG3 or Luck can say that much.

Schaub is one of a handfull of QB's to throw for 4500+ in back to back seasons and was well on his way to a 3rd consecutive before getting fallen on by a fat ass. He may never be the same but pre injury I felt like he could take us to a championship - now Im not so sure.

Rosencoptor played pretty well for a stretch .... the dude tried to make a damn play , just too bad it didnt go his way and ended up a turnover .... I dont blame the guy for trying to win himself a starting job. Sh!t happens and he never got a change to atone for that mistake.


Orlovsky , Beck and Grossman ..... were brought in as backups to the backup. Did you really expect them to be world beaters on par with the top two picks in the entire draft ?!


Hard to say Kubiak is trash at picking QB's when he's never used a premium pick on one (outside of the trade for Schaub who has played well when healthy) and got a playoff win from a 5th round rookie ....




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Tajh mutha friggin Boyd

Im pretty high on Boyd myself .... Total package , just wish he were a little taller.
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yea.

he sucks.

Dont give that he's a rookie bullcrap.

That's no longer an excuse with RG3, Wilson, and Luck.

The fact that kubiak is high on him makes me feel even more confident that he sucks.

Kubiak is absolute trash when picking QBs:

Schaub
Orlovsky
Rosencopter
Beck
Grossman

Yates
Keenum

There's a trend here folks. I would absolutely love to take a shot at Geno Smith who will be the next randy moss in this draft (ridiculous personal character shots which in turn gets passed over which in turn creates a huge chip on his shoulder which in turn drives him to be a great player).

We get Geno Smith that is a threat to Schaub. It will push schaub. Schaub will finally start looking over his shoulder. Something that has never happened to schaub.

I would absolutely take a gamble on Geno Smith.
Kubiak did not pick any of the bolded QBs. They were on this team one time or another, but Kubiak has only drafted Yates and Brink iirc. Keenum was UDFA.
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Kubiak did not pick any of the bolded QBs. They were on this team one time or another, but Kubiak has only drafted Yates and Brink iirc. Keenum was UDFA.

lol wut? are you serious?

nvm, you're an aggie.
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lol wut? are you serious?

nvm, you're an aggie.
Some people interpret the word "pick" as "drafted". Especially around the draft.
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lol wut? are you serious?

nvm, you're an aggie.
So you're saying that Kubiak drafted
Orlovsky, drafted by the Lions,
Schaub, drafted by the Falcons,
Rosenfels, drafted by the Skins,
Beck, drafted by the Dolphins,
Grossman, drafted by the Bears,
and Keenum, who went undrafted.

Riiiight. Kubiak's definitely worked for all those teams.

If you're saying he brought them in as FAs (why you would call that a "pick" is beyond me), that's a different story. In which case, Rosenfels was good except for the copter move, Keenum is unproven (and a UDFA with low expectations), Grossman Beck and Orlovsky are nothing more than backups (and never expected to start for us). None of these guys were meant to be starters for us. If we drafted say Blaine Gabbert in the first round, yes, that would be a fail. If we sign Grossman and Beck as 3rd stringers, how on earth is that reflective of our playing in a game? How much playing time did either see for us?

C'mon. It's not like these guys were meant to be our franchise QBs. Only Schaub is different in that regard. Sometimes it helps to put your thinking cap on.
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Kubiak did not pick any of the bolded QBs. They were on this team one time or another, but Kubiak has only drafted Yates and Brink iirc. Keenum was UDFA.
I love that there is so much hatred for Schaub out there...since he came on board, we've been pretty successful. He's not the best QB in the league by any stretch, but he's pretty damn good. I'm very happy we have him and not someone like Vince Young (remember the clamoring for that guy), HWSNBN, or some chump like Jimmy Claussen or Mark Dirty Sanchez.
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Kubiak is absolute trash when picking QBs:

There's a trend here folks. I would absolutely love to take a shot at Geno Smith who will be the next randy moss in this draft (ridiculous personal character shots which in turn gets passed over which in turn creates a huge chip on his shoulder which in turn drives him to be a great player).

We get Geno Smith that is a threat to Schaub. It will push schaub. Schaub will finally start looking over his shoulder. Something that has never happened to schaub.

I would absolutely take a gamble on Geno Smith.
But by your logic, Kubiak is trash picking QBs. And if the Texans were to take Geno, Kubiak would have picked him. Which would make Geno Smith trash. Why should the Texans draft another trash QB?
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But by your logic, Kubiak is trash picking QBs. And if the Texans were to take Geno, Kubiak would have picked him. Which would make Geno Smith trash. Why should the Texans draft another trash QB?
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There's a trend here folks.
Maybe he only wants QB's that are on the same level as he was when he played.
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yea.

he sucks.

Dont give that he's a rookie bullcrap.

That's no longer an excuse with RG3, Wilson, and Luck.

The fact that kubiak is high on him makes me feel even more confident that he sucks.

Kubiak is absolute trash when picking QBs:

Schaub
Orlovsky
Rosencopter
Beck
Grossman
Yates
Keenum

There's a trend here folks. I would absolutely love to take a shot at Geno Smith who will be the next randy moss in this draft (ridiculous personal character shots which in turn gets passed over which in turn creates a huge chip on his shoulder which in turn drives him to be a great player).

We get Geno Smith that is a threat to Schaub. It will push schaub. Schaub will finally start looking over his shoulder. Something that has never happened to schaub.

I would absolutely take a gamble on Geno Smith.
What???? He's signed a few backups and spent a few late round picks on qbs that didn't pan out?

Whether you are thrilled with schaub he's not a bust by NFL standards. Other than that he has spent late round picks looking for a diamond in the rough. Even if you consider Brady how many late round qbs pan out? Almost none. This is like saying you suck at math because you don't hit the lottery. Wake me up when he misses on a third round or better qb.


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Of the qbs you used as an example of rookie success how many are 5th round or later? Oh. OK. Wilson was a third rounder and he doesn't belong in the discussion with the other two. He wasn't asked to sling it. He barely threw for 3000 yards. They ran the ball and played great defense. Put Wilson on the colts and they win 5 games tops.
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Your intense hatred of Kubiak causing you to criticize every single decision he makes?
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What???? He's signed a few backups and spent a few late round picks on qbs that didn't pan out?

Whether you are thrilled with schaub he's not a bust by NFL standards. Other than that he has spent late round picks looking for a diamond in the rough. Even if you consider Brady how many late round qbs pan out? Almost none. This is like saying you suck at math because you don't hit the lottery. Wake me up when he misses on a third round or better qb.
You could look at every team in the league and compile similar lists. You might note the vets we brought in didn't leave the Texans for the couch, they went on to other NFL teams.

Funny how Smith isn't involved in this rant.

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You could look at every team in the league and compile similar lists. You might note the vets we brought in didn't leave the Texans for the couch, they went on to other NFL teams.

Funny how Smith isn't involved in this rant.



Definitely and gets tiresome.
Yeah but his list is even worse. You could compile a list of RBs too. But he won't do that. Schaub has won a lot of games and completed a lot of passes. Have we hit on a LT since brown? Haven't hit on an RB since Tate either. You have STARTERS in there and don't spend high picks unless you are replacing someone. Who has even ben available when we drafted that he would replace schaub with? Wilson? We are an 8 win team with him at QB.

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Look, if you're going to play the game, you have to know the rules.
  1. Stats don't count when they favor Schaub/Yates
  2. Stats rule when we're talking about anyone but Schaub/Yates
  3. Wins don't count when we're talking about Schaub/Yates
  4. Play-off wins are the highest standard, unless you're talking about Schaub/Yates
  5. The eyeball test is only valid if it supporst a "Schaub/Yates sucks argument"

You've been around here long enough to know this. It is unacceptable for you to post in blatant disregard for these rules.

Yeah , I suppose you are right TK .... I dont know what the hell I was thinking!

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The world is back in order! The rules are being followed!
Thats exactly what I thought when I read the post you quoted ...

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Definitely and gets tiresome.
It gets worse every season ... I think most fans are unable to think critically or be objective.
Its either he's the best thing since sliced bread or he sucks , no sweet inbetween. I do not envy the job of an NFL coach or GM.
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