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Old 04-20-2013   #1
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When we posted our Houston Texans draft needs today, we started at wide receiver. Andre Johnson agrees with that assessment.

Johnson told John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that he’s been lobbying the front office to use the Texans’ first-round pick, No. 27 overall, on a wide receiver.

“I’d like to have another [receiver],” Johnson said. “I’m all for it. I’ve asked for it for awhile. The more weapons we have, the better it’ll be for the team.”
This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.
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This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.
Yeah, I got the same vibe. Sad.
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He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.
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He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.
But he just said that now not last year. Speculation, but it says to me he doesn't have much faith in Martin, Jean or Posey at this point.

I feel if this season doesn't go well (AFCCG or better) Dre will asked to be traded or released.
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Default Re: Dre is asking for a #2 WR

A little more in depth link:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...pid=sportshcat

He answers DX-TX's question here:

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“If we’re able to add another guy, it would probably be the best group of receivers we’ve had since I’ve been here,” Johnson said. “Adding another guy (to go with) Posey, Lestar (Jean) and Keshawn — that’s a lot of talent. Not only would it be good for now, but it would be good for our future.”
- So I don't think he's down on the guys we already have, but maybe he doesn't think one is an automatic #2.

I like how he goes on to say he'd like to play another 5 years:


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“I think there’s a big window for the organization, but Andre Johnson’s window is not very big,” he said. “When I came into this league, my goal was to play 10 years. Now I want to play five more."
And here's a comment from a fan that I can really get behind, from the same link:

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Take Dre Hopkins out of Clemson, he'll be ready to go day 1 and will be a big red zone threat.

Trade one of our mid-round picks (we have a few extra via the supplemental) for Nick Foles from the Eagles. Foles isn't going to fit into Chip Kelly's read-option offense and would be nice (and inexpensive...draft choice wise) replacement for Schaub after the the 2014 season (once his guaranteed money has cleared the cap) if not before.
You're not going to trade any supplement picks, but if there was anyway to get Nick Foles and give up some picks I would do it in a heartbeat.
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A little more in depth link:

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...pid=sportshcat

He answers DX-TX's question here:

- So I don't think he's down on the guys we already have, but maybe he doesn't think one is an automatic #2.

I like how he goes on to say he'd like to play another 5 years:




And here's a comment from a fan that I can really get behind, from the same link:



You're not going to trade any supplement picks, but if there was anyway to get Nick Foles and give up some picks I would do it in a heartbeat.
Knew I should have clicked the link in that PFT article. I fell for the trap!

I do not want Foles though. I don't see him being any better than TJ right now.
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He got two of them last year, and he got his safety buddy from the U this year.
That's enough.
His safety buddy isn't going to help when he gets double coverage everytime he is on the field. I like Justin Hunter WR from Tennessee and he might be around in the second round. If not him I like Terrance Williams WR from Baylor. Both of these guys should still be around in the second round. If Cordelle Patterson from Tennessee is still around in the fourth or fifth I would take him too even though he is kind of raw.
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This made me depressed. Dre is all class and the definition of a pro and this makes me feel like he is now pleading for help.

Maybe Im wrong but this makes me really despise Kubiak and Rick Smith even more.
I'm sorry, but while I don't believe for one minute Andre is "pleading for help" with the idea of moving on if he doesn't get it, I find it incredible that anyone would actually believe he's got any basis whatsoever to do so.

Thanks to using his Uncle as his agent, 'Dre did a crappy second deal, and pretty much immediately upon voicing displeasure about it, had that deal redone with 5 years still left on it - that's unheard of. If I recall correctly, he became the second highest paid receiver in the league at the time (2010). Since then, his team has gone to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, won a playoff game in both of those two seasons, and continue to have a window to win that is roughly equivalent to the prime years Dre's got left in his career.

The Texans have put 'Dre into a very good position at this point in his career, and anyone claiming he's going to be unhappy and want to move on if his input/comments aren't acted upon doesn't know 'Dre very well, and they apparently don't understand the business of NFL football very well either.
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Default Re: Dre is asking for a #2 WR

I say get him some help, but don't reach. As usual, go BPA and use your draft board. I, for one, don't think Posey will ever have an impact on an NFL team. An Achilles injury will be too much to overcome.
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I really don't view it as Dre pleading for help. It sounds more to me like he is trying to reassure everybody that he has no problem with help or less touches, actually he encourages it when it helps the team. He is telling people that he likes the idea.

I think it's obvious that we need another receiver right now and will address it in the draft. You have to remember that we have spent a great deal of draft picks on defense. We had one of the worst defenses in the league 2 years ago and were switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. There are legitimate reasons for having not drafting a receiver high in recent seasons. We are lucky to have hit on JJ Watt or pass rush would be our biggest need over receiver and right tackle right now.
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I do not want Foles though. I don't see him being any better than TJ right now.
This I agree with. We don't know what we have in TJ but that doesn't mean someone else's garbage is better than our "garbage".
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I really liked Posey's potential when we drafted him. He came on at the end of the season and then of course he tore his damn achilles. That makes this whole situation a lot more difficult.
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Default Re: Dre is asking for a #2 WR

The thing is we haven't really had a first round bust since Okoye so its not like we've drafted bad in the first round. Our defense sucked so its been tough to get a big free agent receiver when we've been trying to improve the team on the other side of the ball.

I do think its time to get him some help in the form of a guy the team really thinks can be a #2, but I do know what I really would have done differently in the first round the last 4 or 5 years.
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The thing is we haven't really had a first round bust since Okoye so its not like we've drafted bad in the first round.
I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd
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The help that AJ needs is a better distributor under center.
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I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd
Steelers:
2003 -- Polamalu
2004 -- Roethlisberger
2005 -- Heath Miller
2006 -- Santonio Holmes

Steelers:
1969 -- Joe Greene
1970 -- Terry Bradshaw
1971 -- Frank Lewis but in the 2nd round, Jack Hamm
1972 -- Franco Harris
1973 -- JT Thomas (meh)
1974 -- Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster

Cowboys:
1988 -- Michael Irvin
1989 -- Troy Aikman
1990 -- Emmitt Smith

Not saying these are better. Just saying these are some of the good 3-4+ years of drafting.
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I guess.... if you class the current all-pro and best LT in football, droty and top 3 ilb in the league, probowl-calibre cb (in 2012 anyway), current dpoty who probably just had 1 of the best seasons by a defensive player ever and a pass rusher coming off a promising rookie season as 'not busts'

just out of curiousity- can anybody show me a better 4 yr streak of prolific 1st rd drafting that the Texans had from 08-11?

best let them keep doing their thing and let aj keep doing his. wonder if the cards regret taking gm advice from fitz re kolb and Michael floyd
Just some comparables:

Baltimore 06-09: Ngata, Grubbs, Flacco and Oher with relatively late picks.

Colts 01-03: Wayne, Freeney and Clark were 3 nice ones in a row.

Chiefs 05-08: Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe and Branden Albert ain't so bad. Sadly for the Chiefs, no QB to capitalize on the talent in KC.

Jets in 06-07: Dbrick, Revis and Mangold. These guys were a lot of the reason they made it to two AFCCs.

Giants 08-09: Kenny phillips, Hakeem Nicks, JPP.

49ers had a lot of good picks over the last 6-7 years. VD, Staley and Willis were over a 3 year span. Iupati, Davis and Aldon Smith were within 2 years. Lots of great drafts for that club, and you can see the results on the field.

I think it's pretty obvious that hitting on 1st round picks is essential to winning, but it's interesting to see the trend of contributors to Super Bowl teams.
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I really liked Posey's potential when we drafted him. He came on at the end of the season and then of course he tore his damn achilles. That makes this whole situation a lot more difficult.
We should treat the Posey situation as if he will never contribute. He was a project that hadn't had alot of playing time coming out of college anyway.
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We should treat the Posey situation as if he will never contribute. He was a project that hadn't had alot of playing time coming out of college anyway.
Of course we should, even if he didn't get injured most would say we still need a #2 receiver, just that he was showing flashes of brilliance and then he got hurt, which basically puts us back at square 1.
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HE ALREADY got help Posey and Martin and Lestar


and I know this front office there not giving up on POsey just after 1 year


besides this offensive does not run throught WR more like TE and RB


if anything andre expect another Tight end or RB LOL ..
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