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Old 04-06-2013   #1
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Interesting to look at "what might have been"............and who would have been our QB, if history had taken a different turn.
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QB who could've saved Gang from Favre, Sanchez will instead be Monday foe

Updated: October 6, 2012, 1:06 PM ET


FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- On Monday night, the football-watching world will get a chance to see the player the New York Jets once hoped would be their quarterback of the future.

Matt Schaub of the Houston Texans.

What, you thought it was a snarky reference to Mark Sanchez?

In 2006, the Jets were hot for Schaub, a promising young backup with the Atlanta Falcons. With Chad Pennington coming off his second shoulder operation, the Jets' new regime at the time -- general manager Mike Tannenbaum and coach Eric Mangini -- wanted a long-term solution at quarterback.

Little-known fact: They targeted Schaub, offering defensive end John Abraham to the Falcons in a straight-up deal, Mangini revealed.

"We tried like hell to get him," Mangini said recently in a phone interview.

Schaub was playing behind Michael Vick and had started only two games in two seasons, but his potential intrigued the Jets. At the time, it seemed like a lopsided proposal. Not many teams would consider dealing a proven pass-rusher in his prime, but the Jets didn't want to commit to Abraham, who had the franchise tag, had some off-the-field issues and was seeking a monster contract.

The negotiations turned contentious. Eventually, the Jets traded Abraham to the Falcons for the 29th pick in the draft, which Atlanta acquired from the Denver Broncos. The Jets used the pick to draft Nick Mangold after trying unsuccessfully to deal it to the San Diego Chargers for running back Michael Turner -- another little-known fact.

It's hard to second-guess the move because Mangold is one of the top centers in the league, but what if?

What if Mangini had pried Schaub away from the Falcons? The alternate history probably would've unfolded like this:

Mangini said the Jets would've kept Pennington in 2006, which turned out to be a terrific year for him. In 2007, it probably would've been Pennington and Schaub. But by 2008, it would've been Schaub's show.

Which means there never would've been a trade for Brett Favre in 2008.

And there never would've been a need to draft Sanchez in 2009.

Chances are, Schaub would be playing quarterback for the Jets, not the undefeated Texans, on Monday night at MetLife Stadium.
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So where's the "what if" part for the Texans if we didn't trade for Schaub? Would have we kept Carr around? Would we have drafted Brady Quinn? Would Sage have taken over the starting role? What you think?
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So where's the "what if" part for the Texans if we didn't trade for Schaub? Would have we kept Carr around? Would we have drafted Brady Quinn? Would Sage have taken over the starting role? What you think?
I think Carr would have stayed around. We would have drafted someone like Trent Edwards in the second round, assuming we didn't draft Kevin Kolb in the first instead of Amobi Okoye. Let's say we went with the Kolb option.

There would have been an open competition for the QB position and I think Sage would have won it. Sage would have gotten injured during the season and Kubiak would have given Carr one more shot... and he failed. So Kubiak would have brought Kolb in and Kolb would have done OK.

The next year, Carr would have been released and again we go with the open competition at QB. This time, Kolb wins and he's anointed the future of the franchise. And he would have gotten injured and the next few seasons would have been juggling Kolb and Sage. And Kubiak would have been fired after 4 seasons.

And then in 2010, we would have a new coach and we'd have drafted Tim Tebow. And now, in 2013, we'd have another new coach and we'd be looking at Geno Smith or EJ Manuel.
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That's a disturbing chain of events you project pneck. Let's go all the way back to the carr selection over JULIUS FREAKING PEPPERS. If that selection doesn't happen Schaub probably isn't here either.
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That's a disturbing chain of events you project pneck. Let's go all the way back to the carr selection over JULIUS FREAKING PEPPERS. If that selection doesn't happen Schaub probably isn't here either.
What if left tackle Tony Boseli had healed enough to start from game one? Maybe Carr would not have set record for most QB sacks ever.
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What if left tackle Tony Boseli had healed enough to start from game one? Maybe Carr would not have set record for most QB sacks ever.
And or if willie roaf had passed his physical.
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Interesting article. Anything that undermines the Jets is a good thing.

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That's a disturbing chain of events you project pneck. Let's go all the way back to the carr selection over JULIUS FREAKING PEPPERS. If that selection doesn't happen Schaub probably isn't here either.
People forget that 2002 was a terrible draft for QB's. There were no options. David Garrard was the best QB out of that class.
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Interesting article. Anything that undermines the Jets is a good thing.



People forget that 2002 was a terrible draft for QB's. There were no options. David Garrard was the best QB out of that class.
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I think Carr would have stayed around.
No way Carr would have stayed. He was most definitely in no position to be starting for an NFL team.

I think we would have stayed with Sage & drafted the likes of John Beck, Brian Brohm, or Chad Henne. We may have taken a flyer as well on guys like Tyler Thigpen, Stephen McGee, & Joe Webb.

These guys would have had ample opportunity to win the starting job & we'd have probably enjoyed as much success as we have with Schaub.
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No way Carr would have stayed. He was most definitely in no position to be starting for an NFL team.

I think we would have stayed with Sage & drafted the likes of John Beck, Brian Brohm, or Chad Henne. We may have taken a flyer as well on guys like Tyler Thigpen, Stephen McGee, & Joe Webb.

These guys would have had ample opportunity to win the starting job & we'd have probably enjoyed as much success as we have with Schaub.
Given that not a single one of those guys is a starting QB how is it not crazy to predict the bold?

6 QB's, 10 teams, 15382 yds, 70 TD's, 76 INT's

Schaub - 20911 yds, 114 TD's, 64 INT's
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Given that not a single one of those guys is a starting QB how is it not crazy to predict the bold?
Some of them aren't even in the league anymore.
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If I was a GM, I think I would try a opposite trend as other teams. With so much of the percentage of your salary cap going to QBs, I would just keep playing mid round rookies until they demanded a raise then ship them off and invest that chunk of savings into the offensive line.
If it were that easy, you & I wouldn't be working for a living.


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How would that have played to fans who wanted to see the rookie #1 pick? As you inferred, hindsight is always 20/20. But that would have been tough to explain, when so many other #1 picks (Aikman, Bledsoe, Couch) all started as rookies.
Not to mention as a rookie, he looked the part. David's problems didn't start till later.


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Given that not a single one of those guys is a starting QB how is it not crazy to predict the bold?

6 QB's, 10 teams, 15382 yds, 70 TD's, 76 INT's

Schaub - 20911 yds, 114 TD's, 64 INT's
When I said "we" I meant we as Texans' fans, not Matt Schaub fans. We probably wouldn't have gaudy QB numbers for mental masturbation, but we'd have probably missed the play-offs just the same through 2010.

Then again, this is a system & Kubiak is a QB Guru. One of those guys may have very well thrived here & Schaub may not have done so well with GangGreen.... who knows?
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I think Carr would have stayed around. We would have drafted someone like Trent Edwards in the second round, assuming we didn't draft Kevin Kolb in the first instead of Amobi Okoye. Let's say we went with the Kolb option.

There would have been an open competition for the QB position and I think Sage would have won it. Sage would have gotten injured during the season and Kubiak would have given Carr one more shot... and he failed. So Kubiak would have brought Kolb in and Kolb would have done OK.

The next year, Carr would have been released and again we go with the open competition at QB. This time, Kolb wins and he's anointed the future of the franchise. And he would have gotten injured and the next few seasons would have been juggling Kolb and Sage. And Kubiak would have been fired after 4 seasons.

And then in 2010, we would have a new coach and we'd have drafted Tim Tebow. And now, in 2013, we'd have another new coach and we'd be looking at Geno Smith or EJ Manuel.
Disagree.

I think Carr was pretty much as good as gone. Rather than Okoye, the Texans would have selected Brady Quinn and the QB guru, Gary Kubiak, would have been in charge of molding him. I think he would have struggled and at the end of the 2009 season, Kubiak would have been fired. In 2010, they would have hired Bill Cowher and he would have gone defense with the first pick: Ndamukong Suh, Eric Berry, Jason Pierre Paul(depdning how poorly they did the year before).

They still would have been looking for a starting QB and likely would have signed a vet. In 2011 they would have drafted Andy Dalton...
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If I was a GM, I think I would try a opposite trend as other teams. With so much of the percentage of your salary cap going to QBs, I would just keep playing mid round rookies until they demanded a raise then ship them off and invest that chunk of savings into the offensive line. Try to always have a great run team and pass protection which would inflate the young QB numbers and help bring in future draft picks, I don't care if the team just won the Super Bowl, if its his last year time to go instead of gutting 5 or so of other positions. I know we get attached to certain QBs but I would like to see if some GM has the guts to try this. Even some of the worst QBs have done pretty good with strong support around them.
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If I was a GM, I think I would try a opposite trend as other teams. With so much of the percentage of your salary cap going to QBs, I would just keep playing mid round rookies until they demanded a raise then ship them off and invest that chunk of savings into the offensive line. Try to always have a great run team and pass protection which would inflate the young QB numbers and help bring in future draft picks, I don't care if the team just won the Super Bowl, if its his last year time to go instead of gutting 5 or so of other positions. I know we get attached to certain QBs but I would like to see if some GM has the guts to try this. Even some of the worst QBs have done pretty good with strong support around them.
The Andy Reid theory on QB's.
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The Andy Reid theory on QB's.
By Andy Reid, do you mean the guy who took a QB with the 2nd overall pick of the draft prior to his first season as HC, then saw that QB become the starter 8 games into his rookie season, and hold that job for 11 years? The guy who made that QB the highest paid player in the NFL at one point in time? The guy who was criticized for not running the ball enough with RB's like Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy? The guy who when that QB was past his prime, gave another QB a $100 million contract to take his place? Is that the Andy Reid you mean? Because that sounds kind of like the opposite of the guy pirbroke just described.
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By Andy Reid, do you mean the guy who took a QB with the 2nd overall pick of the draft prior to his first season as HC, then saw that QB become the starter 8 games into his rookie season, and hold that job for 11 years? The guy who made that QB the highest paid player in the NFL at one point in time? The guy who was criticized for not running the ball enough with RB's like Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy? The guy who when that QB was past his prime, gave another QB a $100 million contract to take his place? Is that the Andy Reid you mean? Because that sounds kind of like the opposite of the guy pirbroke just described.
Hmmmm... let's check this out.

Reid's first year was 99. Here are the QBs he selected in drafts.

1999. Donovan McNabb - 1st round/2nd overall
2001. AJ Feely - 5th round/155
2004. Andy Hall - 6th round/185
2007. Kevin Kolb - 2nd round/36
2010. Mike Kafka - 4th round /122
2012. Nick Foles - 3rd round/88

I'm not seeing any huge pattern there unless he was going to draft his next QB in the 7th round.
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By Andy Reid, do you mean the guy who took a QB with the 2nd overall pick of the draft prior to his first season as HC, then saw that QB become the starter 8 games into his rookie season, and hold that job for 11 years? The guy who made that QB the highest paid player in the NFL at one point in time? The guy who was criticized for not running the ball enough with RB's like Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy? The guy who when that QB was past his prime, gave another QB a $100 million contract to take his place? Is that the Andy Reid you mean? Because that sounds kind of like the opposite of the guy pirbroke just described.
I was talking about Reid drafting a QB for the future when he already had his starter. Feely/Kolb and Foles are examples. Then when Vick/McNabb etc... get injured the backup steps in usually plays well for a few games and gets moved for a high draft pick.

Reid always has 2 above avg QB's on his roster. See Kansas City Traded for Alex Smith and signed Chase Daniel in FA. He prioritizes the QB position, which is quite smart. IMHO

BTW, I was kind of hoping the Texans would sign Daniels in FA. He has alot of potential.
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