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I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.
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I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.
I expect us to draft ILB and pick up a vet or two at ILB. If they don't get any other nibbles, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign Dobbins, James, and Ruud and give them a chance to play for a spot.

I'm expecting us to go Bostic or Klein in rounds 3-5.

It's funny. During the season, I was hoping Te'o would fall to us. Now I'm sure he will but I'm not sure if we want to draft either him or Minter in the 1st. And that's what I was hoping we'd do prior to the whole imaginary girlfriend thing.
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Yeah I even had a thread asking about T'eo @ 27 but think ILB is much lower on our need list than many do. I wished I had seen more of Ruud.
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I'm of the opinion that we move Reed to ILB & take one of the stud NT's with our 1st, preferably Hankins if he drops to us. Otherwise, I look to trade down into the early 2nd & take Jenkins out of Georgia. My thinking is that this move will plug up the middle & stop/slow down the runs up the middle.

I'm going WR in the 2nd & hoping that Brandon Jenkins falls to us in the 3rd.

Too bad things rarely fall the way you want them to.
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I'm of the opinion that we move Reed to ILB & take one of the stud NT's with our 1st, preferably Hankins if he drops to us. Otherwise, I look to trade down into the early 2nd & take Jenkins out of Georgia. My thinking is that this move will plug up the middle & stop/slow down the runs up the middle.

I'm going WR in the 2nd & hoping that Brandon Jenkins falls to us in the 3rd.

Too bad things rarely fall the way you want them to.
Do you mean Brandon Williams? Or John Jenkins I guess as he plays for Georgia. Took me a minute.
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Do you mean Brandon Williams?
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When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.
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When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.
I really like Klein and he is a tackler also. He's my 5th unless I trade it up.
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When discussing ILB, Wade's defense and the way he plays his LB's has to be part of the discussion. Unless they change things up, Cushing plays the strong side ILB position. Wade will typically blitz this LB 20-25% of the time, but he will also cover underneath in the zone. The weak side ILB position will blitz only about 5 - 10% of the time, but he will have more cover responsibility, having responsibility for the middle of the field in zone.

Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities who will be available in the mid-rounds. The draft is deep at this position and we should have an excellent opportunity to upgrade.
In 2011, Cushing played WILB about 40% of the time, but he was moved there on a more FT basis in 2012, at least 60% of the time.
It was Wade's plan from the beginning of the season.

The Texans will probably be looking for a MIKE, if they decide to draft one.
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In 2011, Cushing played WILB about 40% of the time, but he was moved there on a more FT basis in 2012, at least 60% of the time.
It was Wade's plan from the beginning of the season.

The Texans will probably be looking for a MIKE, if they decide to draft one.
Thanks for clearing this up. I did read that DeMeco played the weakside because he was not a strong pass rusher; and Cushing was on the strongside. Of course Wade will change things up, but I would love to have Cushing rushing up the middle.
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I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.
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Ideally, and for the team to really improve defensively, we need a weak side ILB who will be a three down player.

Both Bostic and Klein had respectable production in coverage. I'd also add Klein's teammate, Jake Knott, to the shortlist of possibilities.
Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio...outing-report/
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Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio...outing-report/
Moore is good candidate and would be there @ 57. Three Amigos are discussing him.
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Those guys deserve considerations; I like Sio Moore better both on tapes (he also had good weeks at the Shrine game and the Senior Bowl) and at the combine.

This guy really can play at any of the four LB spots.
He can run with TEs and RBs, even with some slots, too.
He was used everywhere at UConn and played well at each and all spots; extremely versatile.

http://nflsfuture.com/2013/03/08/sio...outing-report/
I like Moore quite a bit as well. I really like his versatility, as you mentioned. I'm also a big fan of Collins for the same reason. Hell, I'd love to add both Moore and Collins. We HAVE to improve our pass rush or we'll never beat the top teams in the AFC
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I expect us to draft ILB and pick up a vet or two at ILB. If they don't get any other nibbles, I wouldn't be surprised if we sign Dobbins, James, and Ruud and give them a chance to play for a spot.

I'm expecting us to go Bostic or Klein in rounds 3-5.

It's funny. During the season, I was hoping Te'o would fall to us. Now I'm sure he will but I'm not sure if we want to draft either him or Minter in the 1st. And that's what I was hoping we'd do prior to the whole imaginary girlfriend thing.
i wouldn't mind bostic and i'd like dobbins and rudd back as well . . .

i've been leaning towards ilb in the 1st and had been eyeing ogletree or minter . . . i just don't see the value in a wr at 27 when we can get the same quality with our 2nd . . . robert wood keeps catching my attention.

we are in a pretty good position to where we can take bpa of need . . . trading out of the 1st for another 2nd+ would be the way to go if we can find a partner . . . i can't figure out what wade likes at nt so i really can't tell you when he might take 1 . . . they are liable to go fast in the 1st, but we could find value in the 3rd . . . and a safety in the 1st 4 picks is needed for depth . . . so my best value draft would be:

s or ilb (although if the right nt fell)
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btw, i don't see reed moving inside full time which takes away the need for the starter there.
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I liked Ruud when he was in last year, the guy is in his prime and he played pretty well against the run and the pass last year IMO.
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Even if Reed does bump inside at ILB or still stays at OLB, we'd need to address either position in the first 3 rounds IMO.

Personally I'd rather just keep Reed outside, he's already made the transition to the OLB position.

I also thought Merciless showed some nice flashes as he got more PT as the season wore on.
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i wouldn't mind bostic and i'd like dobbins and rudd back as well . . .

i've been leaning towards ilb in the 1st and had been eyeing ogletree or minter . . . i just don't see the value in a wr at 27 when we can get the same quality with our 2nd . . . robert wood keeps catching my attention.

we are in a pretty good position to where we can take bpa of need . . . trading out of the 1st for another 2nd+ would be the way to go if we can find a partner . . . i can't figure out what wade likes at nt so i really can't tell you when he might take 1 . . . they are liable to go fast in the 1st, but we could find value in the 3rd . . . and a safety in the 1st 4 picks is needed for depth . . . so my best value draft would be:

s or ilb (although if the right nt fell)
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s or ilb
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btw, i don't see reed moving inside full time which takes away the need for the starter there.
May take away need for starter but not necessarily picking OLB in first as we did last draft.
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I am not sold on Reed moving to ILB but either way, Texans will probably draft OLB in top 3 rounds. Last draft it was with pick one (Mercilus). If Reed does not move, tell me what you think we need to replace Bradie James. Will another scrub vet be the direction Phillips goes or will he want a top three round draft selection.

IMO if we draft by round three we could go with a round 4 or after ILB. I like
Klein or Beauharnais in 5th and think he would do well beside Cush and behind Brandon Williams. Also the addition of Ed Reed would make the transition smoother for a late round guy.
Reed is staying at OLB(at least according to Pancakes): https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/s...25604630462465

Makes me think it would come down to looking at ILBs in the draft over OLBs; but they could certainly use depth on the outside again.
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Reed is staying at OLB(at least according to Pancakes): https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/s...25604630462465

Makes me think it would come down to looking at ILBs in the draft over OLBs; but they could certainly use depth on the outside again.
That coming from "Pancakes" it's almost an absolute that Reed will move inside.
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If Pancakes says they're leaving Brooks at OLB and not moving him to ILB, then they're moving him down to DE.
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