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Old 03-20-2013   #1
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Well, no kidding! Tell me something we didn't already know.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-ra...ontinuous=true

And just like that, the NFL admits the "Snow Job" game was a joke, with Walt Coleman throwing the game so his team's (Coleman is a Chief's fan) nemesis would not continue deep in the playoffs. Apparently two hands on the football has always been a fumble, except for one snowy night in New England.
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'eh, just like the infamous Renfro non-catch that would have been a TD if the league had replay or Don Beebe stepping out of bounds in that Bills game, sometimes you just have to let stuff go.
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Espn did a little thing on this yesterday. Those Oakland players are still pissed.
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'eh, just like the infamous Renfro non-catch that would have been a TD if the league had replay or Don Beebe stepping out of bounds in that Bills game, sometimes you just have to let stuff go.
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Espn did a little thing on this yesterday. Those Oakland players are still pissed.
So are the Oakland fans. You see, there is a difference between Renfro's non-catch or Beebe stepping out of bounds, because those were just missed plays. What pisses off Raider fans, coaches, former GMs, etc., is the right call was made, then the Chief-fan ref reversed it without indisputable evidence, turning the proper call into a bad call that stole a game and probable SB appearance and win from the Raiders. Not to mention that is the third time the Raiders have been eliminated from the playoffs on questionable calls, i.e., Immaculate Deception, Rob Lytle Fumble, and the Snow Job. That could be as many as three more Lombardi's in the trophy case that aren't there because of questionable officiating.

You know, I called the Snow-Job game, in a way. I was telling some other AFCW fan how the NFL would figure a way to screw the Raiders to prevent them from making it to the SB. That person laughed and asked me what was going to happen, like I was crazy or something. I told them I didn't know, but to just watch the game. Sure enough, the "tuck" happened. Raider fans are used to it, and know it stems from the League's dislike of Al Davis. We're hoping in the next decade or two that things will change and the Raiders will be able to compete on a level playing field.

Hey, if it was a screw-up like the Rob Lytle fumble it would be one thing, but Coleman reversed his own call to then change the game's outcome. So what gets us so pissed is we don't mind being beaten fair-and-square, but we can't stand being cheated out of a playoff win.
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It will go down now in history as one of the great sports highway robberies of alltime.

Was joke then, and even more of a joke now. I don't blame Raider players for being pissed today. They got royally screwed and now the NFL basically admitted it.
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So are the Oakland fans. You see, there is a difference between Renfro's non-catch or Beebe stepping out of bounds, because those were just missed plays. What pisses off Raider fans, coaches, former GMs, etc., is the right call was made, then the Chief-fan ref reversed it without indisputable evidence, turning the proper call into a bad call that stole a game and probable SB appearance and win from the Raiders.
Not that I disagree with your overall point, but you're lumping the Renfro catch into a missed play, which is not really true. It's a lot closer to the Tuck Rule incident, because the refs were clearly not acting impartially. Their motivation was different, but they still made a bad call because of outside influences. Every ref on that squad has since admitted it was a bad call except for the head guy.
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Not to mention that is the third time the Raiders have been eliminated from the playoffs on questionable calls, i.e., Immaculate Deception, Rob Lytle Fumble, and the Snow Job.
NFL Films did an episode of "A Football Life" on the Immaculate Reception. John Madden is still so pissed to this day that he refused to be interviewed for the story.

The Raiders and Oilers are/were sort of kindred spirits as the red headed AFL step-children of the NFL. Both had hard headed owners who rubbed folks the wrong way and influenced football decisions often to the detriment of their teams. At least Al got some Super Bowl championships and attended several more. While ol' Bud is still the bridesmaid, never the bride.
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It will go down now in history as one of the great sports highway robberies of alltime.

Was joke then, and even more of a joke now. I don't blame Raider players for being pissed today. They got royally screwed and now the NFL basically admitted it.
Well there are more than just Raiders fans who should be pissed.

EVERY TUCK CALL SINCE THEN has screwed defenses. Has anybody calculated how many defenses since that Snow Job have been ****ed over by the Tuck Rule? That'd be a great Grantland article topic.

I know of one: Last season's Texans-Colts game in Indy, IIRC, where Luck fumbled the **** out of a ball.....and the refs ruled it a Tuck Rule situation. We lost HFA because of that, since it would have been a turnover that gave us the ball about 20 yards from the EZ. That game could have changed dramatically right there. But no. ****ing Tuck Rule.

I guess I'm glad it's finally gone, but it's cost a lot of teams over the years. Not just Oakland.
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After the way they did the Luck call (the ball clearly goes away from the LOS when it leaves his hand) not at least calling it a live ball as a backwards pass they had to change the rule. Otherwise the sack would be virtually eliminated. QBs would be taught this offseason that if they are being sacked to start the tuck motion and spike the ball at their feet. At least 80% of sacks would turn into incompletions. I was sort of looking forward to this gross abuse of a stupid rule, in a sick sort of way.
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Well there are more than just Raiders fans who should be pissed.

EVERY TUCK CALL SINCE THEN has screwed defenses. Has anybody calculated how many defenses since that Snow Job have been ****ed over by the Tuck Rule? That'd be a great Grantland article topic.

I know of one: Last season's Texans-Colts game in Indy, IIRC, where Luck fumbled the **** out of a ball.....and the refs ruled it a Tuck Rule situation. We lost HFA because of that, since it would have been a turnover that gave us the ball about 20 yards from the EZ. That game could have changed dramatically right there. But no. ****ing Tuck Rule.

I guess I'm glad it's finally gone, but it's cost a lot of teams over the years. Not just Oakland.
Yeah, don't kid yourself...We lost HFA because the Texans stunk the last six games of the season.
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Well there are more than just Raiders fans who should be pissed.

EVERY TUCK CALL SINCE THEN has screwed defenses. Has anybody calculated how many defenses since that Snow Job have been ****ed over by the Tuck Rule? That'd be a great Grantland article topic.

I know of one: Last season's Texans-Colts game in Indy, IIRC, where Luck fumbled the **** out of a ball.....and the refs ruled it a Tuck Rule situation. We lost HFA because of that, since it would have been a turnover that gave us the ball about 20 yards from the EZ. That game could have changed dramatically right there. But no. ****ing Tuck Rule.

I guess I'm glad it's finally gone, but it's cost a lot of teams over the years. Not just Oakland.
No doubt - can just refer to this play as the original cancer cell before it spread.

We'll simply never know where history would have taken those Pats teams if not for that bull****.
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I'm not kidding myself.

We always talk about how a few plays here and there made the Ravens Super Bowl champs....well, even though we were trying to piss HFA away on our own, had THAT call fallen our way (since NOW the NFL says it will) then that game is winnable. Easily.

After that call, you could see the depression set in on our defense. And our ****ing offense couldn't help out our defense to save its life. Our defense produces a turnover, deep inside Indy's end of the field, and the call gets ruled Tuck Rule. Big swing right there.

Who knows where it goes if we snuck HFA away from that game?

Don't get me wrong, I was already predicting Gary couldn't win 1 out of the final 2 games. Got flamed for it too. But that Tuck Rule situation was right when we were trying to turn the tide of that final game. It was doable right there.
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...turning the proper call into a bad call that stole a game and probable SB appearance and win from the Raiders.
How do you figure that? Had the Raider won, they would have traveled to Pittsburgh to face a Steelers team that was 1st in defense and 3rd in offense, and had just dominated the previous Super Bowl winner, Baltimore, in the divisional round. Had Oakland won that game, they would have faced the Greatest Show on Turf. The Rams, the #1 offense and #3 defense, had led the league in point differential at 14.4.

There was nothing probable about the Pats AFC Championship or Super Bowl XXXVI win. They were double digit underdogs in both games (+10 @ Pittsburgh, +14 vs St. Louis). The Raiders would have been big underdogs in both of those games, as well.
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