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Old 03-13-2013   #1
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According to spotrac, the Texans have between $11-$14M in cap space.
(Dutch, can you verify this, please.)

They need to set aside some $5M to sign their rookies.

They have some $6-9M left to sign their own FAs or acquire others, without having to restructure any player.

What can we get for that?

Barwin? Quin?

Might not have enough room just for those two guys and we still need to find a replacement for Walter.

Let's not forget that we still need to resign or replace guys like Caldwell, Harris, Casey, Cody, Dobbins, James, Ball, Demps.

Some of these spots might be filled with rookies (let's say 3, maybe 4).

We might need to restructure one big contract to get more cap space or we need to cut another high-dollar player.

What do you think the Texans can do?
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The NFL cap this year is 123 million, but the Texans carried over 2.4 million in cap space, so they have 125.4 to work with this year. If the Sportrac numbers are right, they have 49 players under contract for 112,540,856. They have 2,130,742 in dead money, but Walter's hit may be a June 1st designation, which would mean it's only 1m counts against the cap this year.

Assuming all that is correct, they should have $10,728,402 available (give a mil if Walter was June 1 cut), before filling the other 4 roster spots, practice squad costs (816k this year), and signing rookies.
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You jinxed us 76 lol
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You jinxed us 76 lol
Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.
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Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.
This is what im afraid of. In a few yrs we are going to be going through exactly what Eagles, Steelers, Ravens are going through and be mediocre and rebuild once again.
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This is what im afraid of. In a few yrs we are going to be going through exactly what Eagles, Steelers, Ravens are going through and be mediocre and rebuild once again.
In a few years, the fans will be free of Matt Schaub, LOL!
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Well, it's just reality... Before anybody wants a big FA acquisition.

We can restructure a couple contracts (at most) to get some $6-8M (at the risk of having cap problem when we need to resign Cushing, Watt, KJax.

If you want to win now at all cost, it will come back and bite us the next few years.

I don't expect the Texans to make a big splash in FA; perhaps just two or three mid-level guys.
Then in reality we need to be projecting our payroll through the next 3 years & consider the additional cost of signing players this year.

The cap space we have right now only affects right now. Players like Antonio, Wade Smith, & OD will be coming off the books, or change over the next three years. IMO, unless you have that information, or at least a pretty good idea, it doesn't make sense to say, "We can't sign so & so now because we have to lock up Watt in the future."

& just like any other player, there is a line where Watt will be too much. That needs to be decided over the next couple of years, but Watt will have to want to be here, because where ever that line is, he'll be able to get more from a more desperate team.
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Then in reality we need to be projecting our payroll through the next 3 years & consider the additional cost of signing players this year.

The cap space we have right now only affects right now. Players like Antonio, Wade Smith, & OD will be coming off the books, or change over the next three years. IMO, unless you have that information, or at least a pretty good idea, it doesn't make sense to say, "We can't sign so & so now because we have to lock up Watt in the future."

& just like any other player, there is a line where Watt will be too much. That needs to be decided over the next couple of years, but Watt will have to want to be here, because where ever that line is, he'll be able to get more from a more desperate team.
Dutch did a little study; and I checked out some numbers as well.
I think we should be fine unless something extra-ordinary happens.

Some of the important points:

Antonio Smith is taking up $9.5 in cap space.
When his contract is up, we should be able to use that money to find a competent replacement (may be even a better, younger talent.)

Cushing is taking up nearly $5M in cap space.
It shouldn't take a whole lot more to re-up him unless he blows up this season, which would mean less needs for high-paying players around him.

For every player that will see an increase in cap, there's one that we're on the way to phase out due to their age or performance level.
Assuming we replace Wade Smith with a young guard (Jones of Brook) in 2014, for example.

O.D. will never get more than what his cap hit is at the moment.
Manning and Joseph can be replaced with the money that their cap hits are right now (among the top at their positions.)

The key for us is to keep hitting in the draft such that we stay ahead of the curve. The better we do in the draft, the more chance we have to replace people when their contract require a significant raise, or the level of cap hit rises close to the red level.

For example, if we can replace Schaub with either Keenum or Yates in 2014, we will spare changes to keep.
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The NFL cap this year is 123 million, but the Texans carried over 2.4 million in cap space, so they have 125.4 to work with this year. If the Sportrac numbers are right, they have 49 players under contract for 112,540,856. They have 2,130,742 in dead money, but Walter's hit may be a June 1st designation, which would mean it's only 1m counts against the cap this year.

Assuming all that is correct, they should have $10,728,402 available (give a mil if Walter was June 1 cut), before filling the other 4 roster spots, practice squad costs (816k this year), and signing rookies.
Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.
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Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.
I included them in my count of 49. I'm just saying we have 53 spots to fill regardless of who it is, and those spots will take at least 400k each out of our cap space. The guys to be signed to the Psquad in the future will cost at least 816k over the season. Rookies should cost around 5-6m since we will have 11 picks. If we can trade a couple picks to future years or package several to move up, we might save a little, but not much. I think it's safe to say we have about 6-9m in cap space that's spoken for this next season.
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I included them in my count of 49. I'm just saying we have 53 spots to fill regardless of who it is, and those spots will take at least 400k each out of our cap space. The guys to be signed to the Psquad in the future will cost at least 816k over the season. Rookies should cost around 5-6m since we will have 11 picks. If we can trade a couple picks to future years or package several to move up, we might save a little, but not much. I think it's safe to say we have about 6-9m in cap space that's spoken for this next season.
Easy to see why Walter, Barwin, Quin, and Casey gone.
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Don't forget that the current contracts included the PS players we just signed to future contracts recently. Some of them probably won't make the roster, but at least the money is already there (or a good part of it) for some roster spots.
The current cap requirement only counts the top 51 salaries, so no many how many players we sign (offseason limit is 90), the 52nd on down won't count. Immediately prior to the season, the final two spots (along with players on IR and the Practice squad) are included.
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So what do these FA signing mean for the Texans in term of compensatory picks?
Quin is a 4 or 5
Casey is a 5
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Where is the fun in that? Don't watch the game, just get score after.
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