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The Matt Schaub Compendium

Basically, my recent blog post is a collection of what is known and unknown about Schaub as he ended 2012.

Contains data. Contains known info. Contains speculation.

Frames the issue, puts the end of 2012 into a larger context.

Think it is fair. Not really interested in neener neener talk about Schaub because I think that is a distraction from just looking at what the knowns and unknowns are. That often pejoratives and tone people use detracts from just talking the football stuff.

It was a hard post to put together but I'm happy that I did. I learned things putting it together, and usually those are the best posts.
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Wow.... lots of info. I like this chart:



Shows Matt was pretty hot in 2009, had a down year in 2010, got hot again for 2011, down again for 2012....... If this is a trend.....
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You must have spent a lot of time on that piece, TC.

Good job as usual; I enjoyed reading it.
Will have to come back to read it again later.
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They're going to cover Stephanie Stradley's piece in the Chronicle on Matt Radio (610) at 12:45

So they said.
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You must have spent a lot of time on that piece, TC.

Good job as usual; I enjoyed reading it.
Will have to come back to read it again later.
Thanks.
Actually, the thought time about the piece took longer than the actual writing. I had a hard time figuring out how to organize it. Probably was the hardest piece of writing I've done in a few years but I figured it was worth doing. So much of the commentary conflates facts with speculation, and it got really emotional, and so I wanted to separate those things a bit.

We felt that the end of 2012 was weird. And it was weird, not just for the team but for Schaub and for Kubiak's offense.

And I think it is important to look at the run trends too. I didn't pull those figures out separately, but the short distance run blocking went very south this season--that to me was a bigger concern than the over run numbers, which by conventional measurement numbers looked OK.
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Great work, Stephanie. This is an excellent resource.

You're spoiling us with stuff like this. Keep it up.
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“He’s got to step up his game when we get on the big stage. There’s no room for mental errors."
McNair really framed it with this quote.

Schaub has the talent, potential, and physical tools needed to win it all.

What will stop him from doing so is between his ears, which is exactly what McNair is talking about.

If you believe Schaub will or will not is subjective. We all have our opinions on it.

But he certainly has the potential to do it, just has to actually do it now.
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McNair really framed it with this quote.

Schaub has the talent, potential, and physical tools needed to win it all.

What will stop him from doing so is between his ears, which is exactly what McNair is talking about.

If you believe Schaub will or will not is subjective. We all have our opinions on it.

But he certainly has the potential to do it, just has to actually do it now.
And the thing is, I wish it was just something where it was mental and with more experience he gets over it. But mental stuff doesn't always work that way.

And McNair's odd comment about footspeed makes it sound partly a matter of trust, but partially also a physical thing. I watched his off-season rehab where he was working on a lot of footwork speed stuff. Was there a physical issue part of the season, the whole season? He didn't have to do much most of the early season because the defense was good then.

From a subjective eye-test view, the things I think that Schaub is normally pretty good with were things he didn't look good at by the end of the season. For whatever reasons. The question is whether this is a temp thing or things to come. End of season Schaub did not look like the whole "Same Ole Schaub" stuff that fans say every time there is a loss over the years. The numbers showed that there was something markedly different for him and the offense as a group.
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I think the whole team just lost some of their edges toward the end of the season. I didn't see the same confident group I saw before Cushing got hurt.
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Shows Matt was pretty hot in 2009, had a down year in 2010, got hot again for 2011, down again for 2012....... If this is a trend.....
LOL I like that thought! I hope you're right, man. He does seem to have that pattern, doesn't he?

Interesting thoughts about the mental issue. I guess when I think about Schaub and that Patriots game the thing that continues to pop in my head first is when he was under pressure, escapes to the right and is completely free and then throws the ball away. That play definitely could point to a mental aspect that was at issue during the tail end of our season.

Could it be Kubiak not trusting in Matt's ability to stay alive...umm...healthy? Never really thought about it honestly. I was thinking Matt was trying to protect himself toward the end so he could be part of the playoff push but then once there...he still kind of looked the same so my theory was crap lol.

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I think the whole team just lost some of their edges toward the end of the season. I didn't see the same confident group I saw before Cushing got hurt.
Yeah definitely seemed the overall edge was gone. Not everyone of course but generally it just didn't seem the same group. Need more leadership to step up in my opinion. I will give credit to Dre though. Don't think he ever talked so much in a season lol.
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TC,

Excellent well-balanced analysis to a very difficult and controversial subject. I suspect most of the questions will be answered in the upcoming preseason/season.
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I think the whole team just lost some of their edges toward the end of the season. I didn't see the same confident group I saw before Cushing got hurt.
Check out the injury reports over the course of the season. Normal, normal, then explodes after the Detroit game. Too many quarters of football in too few days. We can say, hey, dude, it is your job, tough that out, but JAX/DET is some big boy football even if they aren't the greatest teams.

The snap counts after that are scary. Like seeing how many snaps Andrew Gardner got in the Patriots game. You can go all, next man up and all, but hard to see that after you have been used to your offensive linemen being inked into the lineup.

Brandon Brooks snap counts went up which was good and bad. Good in getting real game experience, bad in having to rely on a noob in key spots.

Will be VERY interested to see his progress from year 1 to 2. When he came to the Texans, he didn't know he'd be not playing for a road grader team. So for a big boy, he really needed to transform his body into a fitter dude.

He probably struggled in camp more than any player I can recall. You know, having to leave the field right before a play because he puked while in his stance.

Offensive lineman can't be that guy because they can't tap out no matter how long the drive. Rotational oline is not the ideal.

So it will be interesting to see his fitness this off-season. /Also interesting to see if the Texans finally cave in bringing a higher pick big boy DT into camp. Saints have those cheeseburger guys in their hot camps, but the Texans haven't had good fortune with them or made it a priority.

/a digression
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Lot of info there, appreciate the effort T_C.
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nice post, steph . . . and it seems very fair to me . . .
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The rule changes?......they're all about putting up a facade defense against lawsuits...........it has nothing to do with sincerely wanting to prevent player injuries........for the players' sake. If a player is saved an injury........that's just gravy.
Partially agree here.

I think he has a bit of a savior complex. If he becomes the commissioner who is remembered for saving the health of NFL players, going against the grain of most fans' desire to let the game stay edgy, he solidifies himself as a pioneer.

A person obsessed with "legacy" will do anything to get there. It is my opinion that he is, as you say, "Putting up a legal strategy," but I also think he really thinks this is his ticket to hero status.

So he's compelled to do it AND he wants to do it. A dangerous combination. Then he extends this line of thinking to other areas: His obscene "player fines and suspension" system, the toying with the concept if kickoff changes, the idea of more reg season games, on and on....

And just last year I thought people were being overly harsh in regards to their criticism of him. I've come around.
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We're not tied to Schaub through 2016.

2014 at the most.

And really, it could be as soon as after the 2013 season. But knowing this franchise's tendencies, I'd place money on after 2014.
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We're not tied to Schaub through 2016.

2014 at the most.

And really, it could be as soon as after the 2013 season. But knowing this franchise's tendencies, I'd place money on after 2014.
That's probably correct. Releasing Schaub before the 2014 would be close to breakeven against the cap. Prior to the 2015 season, would be a cap savings of close to $10 million. But that would still have $7million of dead money against the cap. Just like Casserly did, carrying around cap space for guys that are no longer playing.
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The Matt Schaub Compendium

Basically, my recent blog post is a collection of what is known and unknown about Schaub as he ended 2012.

Contains data. Contains known info. Contains speculation.

Frames the issue, puts the end of 2012 into a larger context.

Think it is fair. Not really interested in neener neener talk about Schaub because I think that is a distraction from just looking at what the knowns and unknowns are. That often pejoratives and tone people use detracts from just talking the football stuff.

It was a hard post to put together but I'm happy that I did. I learned things putting it together, and usually those are the best posts.


Do most people know what a Compendium even is????
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It's whatever Steph says it is.
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Many may not remember, but Schaub's footwork factored in as a major attraction by the Texans when they made their selection in 2007.



Let me see. A QB is known for his consistently good to great footwork from 2007 to 2010........then sustains a devastating foot injury...........then pertaining to the 2012 season, even the owner is commenting on his sudden ridiculously poor footwork..........................must be an arm or shoulder injury or something.

And to put to rest the question of why would he put himself out there for the ProBowl if his foot was injured and he was having problems because of it? You can have the best surgeon in the world, and all that can be hoped for on his part is that he puts the foot (in this case) back together precisely anatomically. If that is accomplished, the surgery on the part of the surgeon is considered successful. In a Lisfranc, especially when a fracture if involved, despite excellent reconstruction, not uncommonly long-term and/or progressive life-long chronic pain and tenderness can be experienced. And this is not necessarily due to any re-injury.........this can be simply and only due to the ligamentous, bone and/or cartilaginous trauma sustained at the time of the Lisfranc fracture injury.

This would easily explain why Schaub never appeared on the injury report. Pain and/or tenderness is not an indication for why a player is placed on an Injury Report. Otherwise, virtually every player if not every player of an NFL team would be listed on the Injury Report every week.

As far as the Pro Bowl game. As deliniated above, the problem is not one that you worry necessarily about re-injury to a well-repaired Lisfranc. Rather, the pain and tenderness to deal with while playing that game. Schaub could have very well falsely believed that the rest that he received after his last post season game and prior to playing in the Pro Bowl game would have lessened his debility. Yet, with a “stellar” performance in the Pro Bowl, he could have “rehabilitated” his very tarnished reputation stemming from all the nationally televised embarrassments.

If Schaub does, indeed, need any additional surgery on his foot, the need would very unlikely come from re-injury to his foot..........it would most likely be as a result from severe arthritic changes accompanied by its unbearable pain. That type of surgery would require fusion of the bones.........something that would certainly not be expected to leaving him with any great mobility.
I've always been right there with you.

Just because he's not on an injury report doesn't mean he's not hurting out there.

He gets rest, he works his way back during camp, probably went through preseason feeling decent...then has a great stretch of 7 games or so, then the foot wears down. The stamina wears down. Probably receiving shots to help him get through it each week.

That's been my stance since about the first game vs Patriots. All the spreadsheets in the world don't matter when the eyeball test tells you something isn't right.

At the end of the day, this entire franchise is coming off as if it is compelled to give Matt Schaub the ball no matter what. A duty, an obligation for the sake of the code of loyalty.

Which I think is driving Matt Schaub in a wrong direction physically and psychologically as the QB who now knows he's been given a lot of rope....and you know what they say about one who's given too much rope.

Frankly, I think we're in for a sobering 2013 that makes us once again feeling like we wasted time. I think a guy like Bob McNair is learning hard truths about NFL ownership: You can never be sentimental to the point that you set your team back. Just when he thought we had arrived, and his QB was set for the future, something terrible happens.

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