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Old 02-18-2013   #1
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I'm going to use our position in the draft plus a third round compensatory for Mario and a 6th for Dreesen. I don't know how that's going to work out in actuality but whatever. Here's for the purpose of just throwing discussion material out there. Hit me with all the feedback and comments you got, TT.
Will post rounds 1-3 right now... if you come in and see only one or two picks, I'm working on it


1st Round: Keenan Allen WR 6'3 210 Cal


Yes, I understand that Keenan Allen should* be gone by the time we pick. The scenario I see is that a knee injury will knock him down and post-combine, guys like Cordarelle Patterson, Terrance Williams et. al will move up the boards because of their size/speed combo. I'm going with that Allen is fast but not elite fast. However, he has excellent timing, athleticism combined with 6'3 210 - sounds like a possible heir to Andre to me.


2nd Round: Kyle Long OL 6'6 304 Oregon


I'm gambling here. Kyle Long only has 4 career starts at the FCS level and that is troubling. However, I don't see this pick not panning out. Kyle Long is athletic and has all the pedigree to be a great o-lineman in the NFL with good coaching. He'll have great teammates to look up to (Duane Brown) and can develop into a quality starter given a season or two. Would also be ironic to see him line up against his brother Chris.

3rd Round: Kiko Alonso, ILB, 6'3 242 Oregon


Yeah, I'm drafting lots of Ducks. This guy is versatile. He could even play outside, that's how athletic he is. At the third round you're looking at guys who could develop into quality starters, and I think Alonso could be a total steal. He and Cushing would be a terror together. Alonso plays to the whistle and with an aggression that would compliment Cushing's perfectly.

3rd Round: DJ Swearinger, FS, 5'11 210 South Carolina


Swearinger is versatile and a leader on his S Car defense. He's played some CB and is proficient in coverage as well as being a hitter. He's not tall but he makes up for it in the aggression of his play. He needs to work on not holding, however, and could be a little more fluid.

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One is that we trade our Mario and Dreesen compensatories and our first rounder and move up.
You cannot trade compensatory picks.
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You cannot trade compensatory picks.
Thank you for pointing that out, forgot. Still going with second scenario where knee injury plus other wideouts' combine performances push him down.
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You cannot trade compensatory picks.
I realize he edited such but regardless with his 1-3 rd. selections he doesn't need to they are already in place.
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I'm going to use our position in the draft plus a third round compensatory for Mario and a 6th for Dreesen. I don't know how that's going to work out in actuality but whatever. Here's for the purpose of just throwing discussion material out there. Hit me with all the feedback and comments you got, TT.
Will post rounds 1-3 right now... if you come in and see only one or two picks, I'm working on it


1st Round: Keenan Allen WR 6'3 210 Cal


Yes, I understand that Keenan Allen should* be gone by the time we pick. However, I forsee two scenarios. One is that we trade our Mario and Dreesen compensatories and our first rounder and move up. The other is that a knee injury will knock him down and post-combine, guys like Cordarelle Patterson, Terrance Williams et. al will move up the boards because of their size/speed combo. I'm going with scenario two here. Allen is fast but not elite fast. However, he has excellent timing, athleticism combined with 6'3 210 - sounds like a possible heir to Andre to me.
You would have to use the their normal 3rd and 6th rounder if you want to trade up. As was stated previously by infantrycak, you can't trade compensatory picks. Personally, I hope he falls to us without having to trade up, but if they feel he's going to be gone by the time they pick, and they only have to trade up a few spots, I'd say go for it! He may be the only WR in this draft I'd do that for. Don't want to waste picks.
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3rd Round: Kiko Alonso, ILB, 6'3 242 Oregon


Yeah, I'm drafting lots of Ducks. This guy is versatile. He could even play outside, that's how athletic he is. At the third round you're looking at guys who could develop into quality starters, and I think Alonso could be a total steal. He and Cushing would be a terror together. Alonso plays to the whistle and with an aggression that would compliment Cushing's perfectly.
I like Alonso too and think he would upgrade the ILB spot a lot. But, the big question is, would the Texans take him with his prior arrest record (2 yrs ago)? Here's something I found on the NFL.com Combine site:

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I like Alonso too and think he would upgrade the ILB spot a lot. But, the big question is, would the Texans take him with his prior arrest record (2 yrs ago)? Here's something I found on the NFL.com Combine site:
I think he's been clean for a while, and if the Texans FO feel like he's changed his mindset and is taking his game seriously now... Yes. He could be a huge steal and we can't keep up this policy of drafting saints lol. I think the fact that he's been trouble free for a while now indicates that he's gotten his head in the right place

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Personally, I think Alonzo has matured and proved it. I have mocked him but think I can get comparable value in A J Klein in 4th. Issue with mock is I want a NT and those I think will contribute will be gone 2nd round and no later than 3rd. I am not a Long fan even if he translates to OG where he should play in NFL. He will be 26 December and what you are saying his family is good so he should be. If you are going for a back up OT, go with a cheap FA. If you want to use at OG, why not draft Alvin Bailey a much better player who has flipped during games to both sides? He has play a bit more also.

WR: I like your guy but would rather trade down than up and get a comparable player in second + another pick.
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I'm going to use our position in the draft plus a third round compensatory for Mario and a 6th for Dreesen. I don't know how that's going to work out in actuality but whatever. Here's for the purpose of just throwing discussion material out there. Hit me with all the feedback and comments you got, TT.
Will post rounds 1-3 right now... if you come in and see only one or two picks, I'm working on it


1st Round: Keenan Allen WR 6'3 210 Cal


Yes, I understand that Keenan Allen should* be gone by the time we pick. The scenario I see is that a knee injury will knock him down and post-combine, guys like Cordarelle Patterson, Terrance Williams et. al will move up the boards because of their size/speed combo. I'm going with that Allen is fast but not elite fast. However, he has excellent timing, athleticism combined with 6'3 210 - sounds like a possible heir to Andre to me.


2nd Round: Kyle Long OL 6'6 304 Oregon


I'm gambling here. Kyle Long only has 4 career starts at the FCS level and that is troubling. However, I don't see this pick not panning out. Kyle Long is athletic and has all the pedigree to be a great o-lineman in the NFL with good coaching. He'll have great teammates to look up to (Duane Brown) and can develop into a quality starter given a season or two. Would also be ironic to see him line up against his brother Chris.

3rd Round: Kiko Alonso, ILB, 6'3 242 Oregon


Yeah, I'm drafting lots of Ducks. This guy is versatile. He could even play outside, that's how athletic he is. At the third round you're looking at guys who could develop into quality starters, and I think Alonso could be a total steal. He and Cushing would be a terror together. Alonso plays to the whistle and with an aggression that would compliment Cushing's perfectly.

3rd Round: DJ Swearinger, FS, 5'11 210 South Carolina


Swearinger is versatile and a leader on his S Car defense. He's played some CB and is proficient in coverage as well as being a hitter. He's not tall but he makes up for it in the aggression of his play. He needs to work on not holding, however, and could be a little more fluid.
I personally love it, FWIW. Two Ducks. I think Chip Kelly may have something to say about that.
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It's not my optimal draft, but you've got some good players there. I think Long and Alonso are each picked 1 round early. Now get back to studying your Accounting, there's plenty of time after school for football. Good Luck.

The more I think about it, Long is about 1 round early but Alonso in the late 3rd is about right.

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It's not my optimal draft,.
Same here - I like the positions just not the players so much.

Allen I was high on early in the year , not so much now. I'd take Rogers in the second instead. He has the best tools of all the WR's in this draft , pot or not. Thats not to say I dont believe Allen wont be a solid player - Just that I wouldnt take him that high.

Long - I love the guy in the long term .... but not so much in the short term. 3rd rounder (I know I had him mocked in the second earlier).

Kiko Alonso .... Im meh on. I much prefer AJ Klien of Iowa St. Dude can cover and would be perfect paired with Cushing.
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Same here - I like the positions just not the players so much.

Allen I was high on early in the year , not so much now. I'd take Rogers in the second instead. He has the best tools of all the WR's in this draft , pot or not. Thats not to say I dont believe Allen wont be a solid player - Just that I wouldnt take him that high.

Long - I love the guy in the long term .... but not so much in the short term. 3rd rounder (I know I had him mocked in the second earlier).

Kiko Alonso .... Im meh on. I much prefer AJ Klien of Iowa St. Dude can cover and would be perfect paired with Cushing.
Rodgers may not be there low in the 2nd, would you be willing to give up a 3-4th to pick him?

Short/Rodgers/Klien gives you 3 quality starters, that's about all you can ask for out of a Rick draft.

S is deep enough that you can find an upgrade over Demps/Keo in the later rds. Or find a FA on the cheap. The only thing that would be missing would be OL depth and hopefully Newton/Jones/Brooks will show improvement in their 2nd yr on the field.

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Same here - I like the positions just not the players so much.

Allen I was high on early in the year , not so much now. I'd take Rogers in the second instead. He has the best tools of all the WR's in this draft , pot or not. Thats not to say I dont believe Allen wont be a solid player - Just that I wouldnt take him that high.

Long - I love the guy in the long term .... but not so much in the short term. 3rd rounder (I know I had him mocked in the second earlier).

Kiko Alonso .... Im meh on. I much prefer AJ Klien of Iowa St. Dude can cover and would be perfect paired with Cushing.
Funny, that is exactly why Allen could still be on the board. Unfinished product with exceptionally high ceiling.

Texans could cut Wade, a pro bowler, draft Long & actually improve.

Kiko is a four down LB, rare in a 3-4.

Completely sick haul, would not complain.
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I have to respectfully disagree with one thing. No NT in the first 3 rounds. Cody is a FA, just had back surgery, and needed to be upgraded before that. Another thing is that I would go with DeAndre Hopkins over Keenan Allen. I'm probably in the minority but I think that Hopkins will be a better pro. He is an exceptional route runner and is more of a deep threat than Allen. It is also said that he has the best intangibles of any WR in this draft class. WR is very hard to predict but if I had to bet on one WR who could step in and produce from day one it would be Hopkins. I like the ILB and S picks a lot. I think Swearinger AKA Jungle Boi would be a hell of a steal at the end of the 3rd.
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I have to respectfully disagree with one thing. No NT in the first 3 rounds. Cody is a FA, just had back surgery, and needed to be upgraded before that. Another thing is that I would go with DeAndre Hopkins over Keenan Allen. I'm probably in the minority but I think that Hopkins will be a better pro. He is an exceptional route runner and is more of a deep threat than Allen. It is also said that he has the best intangibles of any WR in this draft class. WR is very hard to predict but if I had to bet on one WR who could step in and produce from day one it would be Hopkins. I like the ILB and S picks a lot. I think Swearinger AKA Jungle Boi would be a hell of a steal at the end of the 3rd.

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Funny, that is exactly why Allen could still be on the board. Unfinished product with exceptionally high ceiling.

Texans could cut Wade, a pro bowler, draft Long & actually improve.

Kiko is a four down LB, rare in a 3-4.

Completely sick haul, would not complain.
This is where we differ on Allen - I think he has reached his peak , you see him as unfinished. Whoever is right on this evaluation is the big winner ... one way or another.


Long .... You know I like ... I just dont think he's ready to contribute tomorrow morning when this team needs him. 18months , two years down the road , yeah , I love his upside.


Kiko .... meh. We'll just have to agree to disagree on his evaluation. I think he's a bust in the NFL.
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