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Old 02-09-2013   #1
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5. Mike Brisiel: Brisiel will count approximately $4.4 million toward the cap in 2013, and he did little this year to justify even a fourth of that amount. Injured most of the year, he played poorly when he did play. Combine that with the fact that we will move back away from the ZBS this year, and the writing is on the wall. Brisiel will be gone, and I doubt seriously they will be able to get anything for him in a trade. It is time to cut bait on this one and move on.
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Tempting, but I think Ben Jones & Brandon Brooks will do just fine next year.
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Depends on his cost and health...i'd definetly give it a look. A vet who knows the system and performed well for us just a year or so ago? Pick up the phone.
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Depends on his cost and health...i'd definetly give it a look. A vet who knows the system and performed well for us just a year or so ago? Pick up the phone.
If OAK cuts him with the off year maybe he doesnt get that big money offer so HOU could get him back here at a reasonable rate 1 or 2 year deal. Then again JAGs could grab him with them going to ZBS this year. I would like to see HOU cut G Wade Smith then bring back Brisiel and let Jones and Brooks compete to start at other G spot.
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If OAK cuts him with the off year maybe he doesnt get that big money offer so HOU could get him back here at a reasonable rate 1 or 2 year deal. Then again JAGs could grab him with them going to ZBS this year. I would like to see HOU cut G Wade Smith then bring back Brisiel and let Jones and Brooks compete to start at other G spot.
Just a thought. Wouldn't it be funny if both Briesel and Winston are both cut (Briesel due to health/system, Winston due to salary/system/Draft Joekel/resign Albert? And both resign with the Texans for 1 year vets min deal to try for a SB. Depth chart and competition would be insane. Brown/Smith/Myers/Briesel/Winston. Swing Newton, C/RG Jones, LG Brooks as back ups. Also I the Brooks is a better fit on the left side as future replacement for Smith.
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Default Re: OG Brisiel rumored as a cut candidate,HOU interested?

Pretty interesting to note that both Brisiel and Winston underperformed in their first years away from the Texans, after being a part of one of the best O-lines in the league.

Is our system that good, or was it unfamiliarity with their new teams?
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Pretty interesting to note that both Brisiel and Winston underperformed in their first years away from the Texans, after being a part of one of the best O-lines in the league.

Is our system that good, or was it unfamiliarity with their new teams?
I wasn't sure what kind of year Winston had. I knew jamal charles had a pretty decent year and I assumed some part of that was due to winston.
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I think familiarity with the system and players/coaches around him had a lot to do with Brisiel's success here. I never viewed him as an all world Lineman while he was a Texan. His toughness was nice to have and he was great at combo blocks here, but he still lacked in some other areas. I wouldn't be against bringing him back and letting Wade walk though.

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Default Re: OG Brisiel rumored as a cut candidate,HOU interested?

I guess some of you don't know his history (including his recent one). You might want to catch up with what's happened to him since he left us. Looks like he got the Texans' extra special Dominique Davis treatment.

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Reggie McKenzie revealed Thursday that right guard Mike Brisiel's ankle injury was more serious than previously let on. Even so, we didn't see much of their top rookie, Tony Bergstrom.

The Raiders offensive line struggled all season in 2012. They were routinely beaten on the block which resulted in a very little room to run and considerable pressure being put on Carson Palmer.

One of the main culprits of these run stuffs and pressures was newly acquired Mike Brisiel. He was the biggest free agent signing by the Raiders this offseason and coming from a zone blocking scheme in Houston made it all the more odd that he was struggling as much as he was.

Brisiel's primary knock was his inability to stay healthy. He has never played an entire season in the NFL and twice been placed on injured reserve. Reggie McKenzie has said before that injury history is a major concern for him when drafting a player but based on many of his free agent signings last offseason, it doesn't apply across the board.

Shawntae Spencer and Ron Bartell are two examples of players he signed who had injury histories and both were injured in the first two weeks of the season. Both were placed on IR and Bartell was eventually released. Brisiel played all season but to the detriment of his performance.

"You don't sign guys thinking they're going to get injured," Said McKenzie. "You try to look at the history and go from there. Even with big Mike Brisiel, he had a bad ankle and it got worse and worse. We had to do major surgery here at the end of the season with him. He's going to be working to get back in full.

"(It affected his play) a lot. He couldn't drive off of it like he would like. But he had a bum ankle... It was an ongoing deal. He had a whole lot of nicks throughout the season."

When a team gets to the point where a player is in such bad shape he needs "major surgery", there should have come a time well before that point in which he should have been shut down.

This holds especially true when you have the team's top draft pick waiting for his shot.
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I wasn't sure what kind of year Winston had. I knew jamal charles had a pretty decent year and I assumed some part of that was due to winston.
It's the classic "bash the ex-Texan" silliness imo. I haven't seen too many complaints concerning Winston's play this past season & as you stated Charles was playing very well running behind him. I think some of that could easily be attributed to Winston. Briesel is a victim of circumstance imo. The Raiders are moving away from the ZBS because their future bust McFadden didn't flourish in it. I'm not saying Briesel had a great season but Reece was productive behind Briesel & in the ZBS in Oakland which seems to point to the fact that some RB's just aren't made for it. McFadden seems to be the issue here more then Briesel.

Its just easier for some to bash the ex-texan & assume that they failed as opposed to acknowledging the whole situation that they are dealing with.
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Tempting, but I think Ben Jones & Brandon Brooks will do just fine next year.
Jones and Brooks were abyssmal for the most part last season , Caldwell was even worse.

I was high on Jones early in the year but .... its obvious that both RT and RG were belo0w average run blocking and Newton was pathetic in the screen game (Jones was solid there).
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Just a thought. Wouldn't it be funny if both Briesel and Winston are both cut (Briesel due to health/system, Winston due to salary/system/Draft Joekel/resign Albert? And both resign with the Texans for 1 year vets min deal to try for a SB. Depth chart and competition would be insane. Brown/Smith/Myers/Briesel/Winston. Swing Newton, C/RG Jones, LG Brooks as back ups. Also I the Brooks is a better fit on the left side as future replacement for Smith.
At this point, even though I'm thinking we're better without them, who the hell knows!

What if they did come back, and what if they found a way to platoon the position and we found our groove again?

Stranger things have happened. Sometimes familiar faces help stabilize things. I do wonder if a bit of our offense's mojo was zapped by the loss of Dreessen, Winston, Brisiel, and Ward. Not saying those guys are independently awesome...but collectively they provided a stable and consistent work ethic and reliability that wasn't replaced by Ben Jones, Derrick Newton, Forsett, and Graham.

If we're unable to land quality FA's due to cap...why not vet minimum for Winston and Brisiel? Anybody know what their vet minimum cap hit would be????
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I believe Winston is making 4.9 million this season and I doubt he would get cut and the chiefs take a 7million dollar cap hit

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I believe Winston is making 4.9 million this season and I doubt he would get cut and the chiefs take a 7million dollar cap hit

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From the link you provided, Winston's contract would produce $6.3 million in dead money if cut. His 2013 cap hit is $7 million, so the Chiefs would actually save 700k by cutting Winston. I don't think they will do that by any means. And if the Chiefs re-sign Brandon Albert, I doubt they take a OT in the first round (though many are mocking Luke Joeckel to KC).
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The Raiders are approximately $1.5 million under the salary cap as of now. They got there, in large part, because right guard Mike Brisiel agreed to a restructured contract.
Brisiel’s base salary for 2013 dropped from $4.35 million to $1.35 million as part of the new deal. Brisiel signed with the Raiders last offseason.
He is slated to earn $3.85 million in base salary in 2014, ‘15 and ‘16. There’s still work to do for general manager Reggie McKenzie between now and the start of free agency, which begins Mar. 12.
However, getting Brisiel on board with a cap-friendly deal for 2013 is a nice start. Now McKenzie can go after other sizable contracts such as those of quarterback Carson Palmer, wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly in an attempt to free up more cap room.
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