KFFL Notes on Quin, Barwin & Cody

[nero THE zero]

http://www.kffl.com/

The Houston Texans may place the franchise tag on impending free-agent FS Glover Quin if they are not able to re-sign him before the start of free agency.

The Houston Texans will do everything they can to try to re-sign impending free-agent LB Connor Barwin this offseason.

The Houston Texans are not expected to re-sign impending free-agent DT Shaun Cody this offseason.

[Big Lou]

If we played a drinking game involving the word "impending" in that article I would be drunk after reading it!

[Lucky]

What?!?! The franchise tag for safeties is tentatively set at $6.8 million. On what planet is Quin worth $6.8 million/year?

And didn't the Texans say last year that they were going to do everything they could to re-sign Mario? If Barwin can get $20 million guaranteed from another team, I say forget it.

Not re-upping Cody seems inevitable. Damaged goods.

[CloakNNNdagger]

ProFootballWeekly reporting that they would not be surprised if the Texans receive a 3rd round compensatory draft pick this year for Mario and Dreesen.

[Lucky]

Here's that comment from PFW.

We also hear the Texans should fare well in terms of compensatory draft picks, what with Mario Williams and Joel Dreesen both producing in Buffalo and Denver, respectively, and the Texans not depending a lot on free agents this past season. It shouldn't come as a surprise to see the Texans awarded the highest compensatory pick possible (a third-rounder), we hear.

The Texans will certainly receive the top compensatory pick (#95 overall). But that is based solely on losing Mario. The compensation for Dreessen will be a late round pick (likely a 6th).

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

ProFootballWeekly reporting that they would not be surprised if the Texans receive a 3rd round compensatory draft pick this year for Mario and Dreesen.

Wait a minute Doc. Are saying a 3rd round pick for each? How in the world does Dreesen get us a 3rd round pick? I know he's good, but a 3rd round good! We'll take it!

[Brisco_County]

Christmas in April. I'll take it.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Insideop

Wait a minute Doc. Are saying a 3rd round pick for each? How in the world does Dreesen get us a 3rd round pick? I know he's good, but a 3rd round good! We'll take it!

See Lucky's post above to clarify.

[JCTexan]

Quin is the one player I want the Texans to re-sign this off-season but I don't think he's worth the franchise tag. Barwin at 4M+ a year is way too expensive for his three sacks last year. I would rather save that extra money for Cushing next year. Cody can easily be replaced by drafting a DT in the draft.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by nero THE zero

http://www.kffl.com/

Quin is the only one of real importance imo. He has played well since he was drafted & has the potential to get better having only played S the last 2 seasons.

I'm a Barwin fan, but I think his price tag will be too much for the Texans to take a risk on. So ultimately I think Barwin is a goner.

Cody is the defenses version of Walter, likable guy but not a starter. Time for him to move on.

Quin is the only one that can't be easily replaced imo. Mitchell has been slowly overtaking Cody & there are cheaper options that could replace Barwin. We all know Wade loves his ex-cowturds & one players name I believe that could possibly pop up is Victor Butler. Never got chance behind Spencer & Ware, but when Wade was there he was talked about a bit. Time will tell.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Lucky

What?!?! The franchise tag for safeties is tentatively set at $6.8 million. On what planet is Quin worth $6.8 million/year?

He is not worth that much, but depending on how good his agent is, he may be asking for that much? Everyone knows we're looking at Keo starting if GQ isn't here, and that scares everyone!

IMO, GQ should be a pro bowl safety. I hope we keep him somehow, even if its for that much.

[TexanBacker93]

The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by TexanBacker93

The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.

Another projected compensatory picks link

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/...k-projections/

The above 2013 prediction list is based on the guidelines set forth by the nation's most successful predictor, AdamJT13, who has been doing so for the past 11 years but has not yet submitted his official 2013 prediction list.



An interesting explanation of the "formula" that AdamJT has used to calculate his surprisingly consistently close predictions.

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/search?...ensatory+picks

[Lucky]

From the blogging the beast site linked above:

Players Lost:Texans Mario Williams (6 yr $96 million), Brisiel (5 yr $20 million), Jason Allen (2 yr $8.2 million), Dreesen (3 yr $8.5 million)
Players Signed:Bradie James (1 yr $890,000), Donnie Jones (1 yr $890,000)

From the Comments section:

Russell Wing January 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Could you go into a bit more detail about the Texans? 3rd round pick for Mario seems a given. A bit confused how you rate Allen as worthy of a 6th, but Dreesen – whose contact was similar and Brisiel – whose contract was much bigger, warrant no additional picks? I know they signed Bradie James and Donnie Jones, but each of them got one year deals at less than a million. Shouldn’t the Texans be looking at a 4th or 5th for Brisiel and a 6th or 7th for Dreesen?

ct17
January 29, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Signed players cancel out lost players, so Bradie James does knock out Dreesen, and Jones knocks out Brisiel, because there are no lower-salaried players to knock out.
In the past, players making 890k have counted. Last year, the only player in that price range was Reggie Kelly, signed by Atlanta, and he counted.
However, the league is not reliable with counting players under $1 million, so it is possible that Brisiel and/or Dreesen will get you picks, should be a 5 or 6 for Brisiel and a 6 for Dreesen, Dreesen would be knocked out first

Vet minimums have not counted in the compensatory equation. And I don't know for whom the Bengals received a compensatory pick for. But, it wasn't for Reggie Kelly, who signed with the Falcons as a street free agent on 8-16, months after the free agency period. The Texans will get picks (likely 6th round) for Brisiel and Dreessen.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by TexanBacker93

The link to projected compensatory picks is a Lions site. It's not official. I doubt Tennessee gets a 3rd. They lost Finnegan, but signed Wimbley and Hutchison to good sized contracts. I think they will cancel out.

Wimbley and Hutchinson were released by their previous teams, so they do not count as the free agent signed. Like Peyton Manning, they were street free agents.

[ArlingtonTexan]

We tried follow this as signing were happening last year in this thread

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...nsatory&page=4

[CloakNNNdagger]

Texans will meet with Connor Barwin’s representatives

After playing out his rookie contract, I’d be surprised if Texans outside linebacker Connor Barwin didn’t test free agency.

Still, both sides will make an effort toward a deal before that happens. Barwin wants to stay in Houston, and the Texans want him back. The trick will be agreeing on his value.

This weekend in Indianapolis, the Texans are planning to meet with Barwin’s people face-to-face for the first time this offseason, according to people familiar with the situation.

The Texans made Barwin an offer before the season began, after a 2011 season in which he had 11 1/2 sacks. Double-digit sacks typically earn pass rushers big-time contracts. And while the Texans’ offer would have placed Barwin among the 10 best-paid Texans, it didn’t come close to the contracts some of the league’s better pass-rushing outside linebackers have garnered lately.

Barwin took a risk and declined the offer, expecting to repeat – or at least get near – his 2011 numbers. That didn’t happen. This past regular season, Barwin only had 3 1/2 sacks.

That number works against Barwin and one that works in favor of the Texans, who don’t have a lot of money to spend.

A few things work in Barwin’s favor. He has shown the capability to put up big sack numbers, he can still grow at the position having not played it long and he’s a good locker-room guy. There is also the matter that the number of quality, young (Barwin turns 27 in the fall) outside linebackers in free agency and the number of NFL-ready pass rushers in the draft are both low.

[thunderkyss]

Let me go on record, I will be highly disappointed if Barwin is paid, or has a $4M+ cap number.