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The market is incredibly tame for fullbacks. Only four have an average salary of over $1 million, while the fifth-highest paid sits below $650,000 per year. This salary range is further cemented when you consider Danny Woodhead and Julian Edelman. Both Patriots are similar players to Casey and reasons why the Texans should not let Casey hit the market and be wooed by Bill Belichick.
A good write up on J.Casey as a FA.

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The market is incredibly tame for fullbacks. Only four have an average salary of over $1 million, while the fifth-highest paid sits below $650,000 per year. This salary range is further cemented when you consider Danny Woodhead and Julian Edelman. Both Patriots are similar players to Casey and reasons why the Texans should not let Casey hit the market and be wooed by Bill Belichick.
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I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations. I like the way he's used out of the backfield in the passing game but he just isn't used enough to justify a roster spot. I also don't think that Casey ever took near enough heat for dropping that TD pass in the first drive of our playoff game against New England. That pass from Schaub was perfect and hit Casey right in the hands at the 4 yd. line when he had his man beat and was an easy TD. Imagine how the momentum and flow of the game would have changed if we had scored a TD there. I like the guy just not sure if there's room on the roster for a #2FB, provided we get a real FB, or #4TE, hoping that we take Michael Williams-TE in the 5th round of the draft.
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I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations. I like the way he's used out of the backfield in the passing game but he just isn't used enough to justify a roster spot. I also don't think that Casey ever took near enough heat for dropping that TD pass in the first drive of our playoff game against New England. That pass from Schaub was perfect and hit Casey right in the hands at the 4 yd. line when he had his man beat and was an easy TD. Imagine how the momentum and flow of the game would have changed if we had scored a TD there. I like the guy just not sure if there's room on the roster for a #2FB, provided we get a real FB, or #4TE, hoping that we take Michael Williams-TE in the 5th round of the draft.
Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.
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Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.
I was thinking this battering ram of a young man would be a great add. He does not have the hands of Casey although he is athletic and appears to catch well out of the backfield.

I only want Casey back if he is utilized in a manner that suits his skills out of the backfield.
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Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard Sr 6-1 248 was a stndout at Senior Bowl week he is projected from a 6th rounder to a UFA in the draft I am hoping HOU grabs him. Juszczyk was stoning guys over and over on NFL Network broadcast of Senior Bowl practices.
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I was thinking this battering ram of a young man would be a great add. He does not have the hands of Casey although he is athletic and appears to catch well out of the backfield.

I only want Casey back if he is utilized in a manner that suits his skills out of the backfield.
Casey most likely will not return. Juszczyk could be a great addition. He has consistently shown solid hands. Unlike Leach, he doesn't go down on first contact.

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Kyle Juszczyk from Harvard is an ideal H-back/fullback candidate. He has been impressive as a lead blocker on the inside run game and has decleated a number of linebackers in the run drills. He is a fine receiver out of the backfield or as a wing has been excellent all week. He has soft hands, runs good routes and is physical after the catch. The 49ers run a lot of two- and three-tight sets and a number of teams are studying that offense. Juszczyk would be a great fit for that type of offense. - Pat Kirwan, CBSSports.com

01/05/13 - Harvard senior tight end Kyle Juszczyk will accept an invitation to play in the 2013 Senior Bowl, slated for January 26 at Ladd-Peebles Stadium in Mobile, Ala. The game will start at 4 p.m. (EST) and can be viewed on the NFL Network. It marks the third all-star game invite for Juszczyk, who declined invitations to the CDS All-Star game in Tucson, Ariz. and the East-West Shrine Game in St. Petersburg, Fla.

Juszczyk led the Ivy League with eight touchdown receptions and led a potent Harvard team with 52 catches for 706 yards (13.6 ypc). For his career, he set the mark for all Harvard tight ends with 125 catches (6th all-time) for 1,576 yards (7th all-time) and 22 touchdowns (3rd all-time). - Harvard football
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Casey's a houston native and I think he's the kinda guy that would give the texans a discount to stay here. I know that's said about a lot of houston athletes but I actually believe it with him.
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Pretty simple math replace a 5th rd. pick (Casey) with a better prospect in 6th (Kyle) doesn't really = does it? Juszczyk is a football player, pure & simple. If want to improve position at least use a late 5th if not forget about it.

Also why would Kubiak get rid of a player he clearly loves, developed & adopted? I think he will keep him, have him cut some weight, get quicker & use three TE sets more. Casey is not a fullback. He is good enough to block outside & down the field.

One more thing about the Harvard kid, he is not a battering ram. He is no Leach Leach uses smarts, is fundamentally sound blocker, good explosiveness with passion for taking care of assignments. He could be a sneaky weapon out of the backfield after securing max protection.
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I like James Casey but honestly I'd like a real Vonta like FB in the game on short yardage or goal line situations.
The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).

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Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.
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I love Casey, only wish we would use him more and play to his strengths.
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I love Casey, only wish we would use him more and play to his strengths.
I'm honestly not seeing him as the play-making mismatch he was touted to be. He gets schemed open, but looks slow when he catches the ball..... slower than OD. He's thick, but not particularly physical when fighting for position or trying to get separation.
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I'm honestly not seeing him as the play-making mismatch he was touted to be. He gets schemed open, but looks slow when he catches the ball..... slower than OD. He's thick, but not particularly physical when fighting for position or trying to get separation.
He's not a mismatch in the sense of having Arian at fb, but by fb standards he's a mismatch. He's faster than most true fb's and can run longer routes and make catches further down the field than most fb's can.

That doesn't mean he's going to look like Wes welker or Arian foster when he goes up against lb'ers. It just means that he provides a different dynamic from the position than the traditional fb, and either 1) he's not good enough to get open or 2) we don't do a good enough job of using the skills he has.

I'd go with 2 since I've seen him get open a bunch against lb'ers in covg.
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The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).



Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.
Wow, your jumping to the extreme here. I never said anything about defining Casey's career by this one mistake. No one on the team is above taking some heat for a really big mistake in the biggest playoff game in team history, and just because I mention it one time as a topic of discussion doesn't mean I'm "hammering that play until the end of time". Being a little overly dramatic? Also I'm not sure how you think he's "wiped out that mistake a dozen times over" since he's only been in 4 playoff games in his career and has a grand total of 4 total touchdowns in his 4 yr. career, I'm not sure if any of those were in a playoff game. I know there were other factors that caused us to lose that game, I never said Casey was the sole reason. In the future please read my post before you respond to it.
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Guess it depends on how other teams vision him. Do they see a tight end instead of a FB? I would like to retain him but really don't want to see him as a FB. He is not a strong lead blocker and you add that to the fact we have two young players on the right (one of which struggled in run blocking) and only one tight end that can block (Graham as O.D. is awful) and it makes life hard on Foster and company. We need a real lead blocker and Kubiak and company need to find a better way of utilizing Casey if retained.
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The Texans had one on their roster this year and didn't use him (Clutts).



Fans often define a bit player's career on one mistake. Casey has done enough to wipe that mistake out a dozen times over, but people will hammer that play until the end of time. Get over it is the best I can tell you. He has a lower drop percentage than most pass catchers on the team and there were tons of other plays and factors that lost that game for the team.
Really?!?
What??
I can't think of a single game last season where he stood out.
...well, except for the playoff game where he played butter fingers with a perfectly thrown ball.

I'm probably the only one who'll admit to this but If he stays, meh
and if he goes, maybe we'll get someone who can catch.
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Wow, your jumping to the extreme here. I never said anything about defining Casey's career by this one mistake.
That's why I didn't say "wolf6151 defines Casey's career by this one mistake". I said fans do, as in a general observation. I can bring up former players and inevitably the first thing some fans will remember is some mistake that player made. Hell, try having an objective conversation about Jabar Gaffney, for example.

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I can't think of a single game last season where he stood out.
I can't think of a single game where Wade Smith stood out either, but he was named to the Pro Bowl. The Texans rarely ask Casey to do something that "stands out". When he makes a ten yard reception, are you cataloging that in your head as a standout play? When he puts on a good block at the goal line for Arian Foster (just one play I remember), do you catalog that in your head as a standout play?

Whatever people think Casey might be capable of, the coaching staff asks him to do a specific job, and he's done it well enough to where we don't hear his name. That's a good thing for his position. Now, if he were actually a TE and playing that position, maybe your argument would make sense. But he isn't.

And just for reference, people didn't "notice" Leach until the TV announcers started talking about him. I'm not comparing Casey to Leach, but I am comparing the glamor status of the position. You have to be completely outstanding to garner any attention from the FB position.

None of this has any bearing on whether or not the team should keep him, however.
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I don't think the Patriots would target him. They're using Woodhead in that role already.

I think the Pats will go after Percy Harvin and let Welker walk.

Anybody here think the idea of Tom Brady throwing to Percy Harvin is just unfair to the rest of the NFL on many levels? Yeah, me too!

For as good and reliable as Welker is, Harvin is an upgrade.
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I'm not comparing Casey to Leach...
No reason you shouldn't. Casey personally had a better year catching the ball than Leach ever did, and the running game overall had more yards/TD's than in any of Leach's five years starting at FB.

What exactly did he not give this team that Leach did? And if the answer is goal line presence, before Foster came along in Leach's last year, this team had 12-15 rushing TD's a year. They were either not getting the opportunity, in which case it is a moot point, or they were not taking advantage of it, which means we have romanticized the contributions that Leach provided.

If we judge Casey's performance as a FB, and not try to wrap logic around he is a FB but should play like a TE, then Casey gave a better performance this year stats-wise than the year that Leach cashed in on as a free agent.

And people were cutting their wrists over Leach leaving...
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