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Percy Harvin’s first four seasons with the Minnesota Vikings has been great, yet highly complicated. He’s often dubbed the name “wide re-diva,” although his actions could be justified.

Harvin has expressed his frustration in the past and even threatened to skip training camp last year. “Just haven’t been happy lately,” Harvin said of his situation in Minnesota. But he didn’t go into specifics. The Vikings’ star receiver has had several “verbal exchanges” with head coach Leslie Frazier and even reportedly requested a trade. Not to mention, after being placed on injured reserve December 5th for a severely sprained left ankle – Harvin packed up and never returned to Minnesota’s facility. Instead, Harvin decided to rehab at his home in Florida. Coach Frazier and Harvin did not communicate often during the Vikings playoff-push.
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Report: Vikings looking to trade Harvin


Local news report says team sources claim that the Vikings are looking to trade Percy Harvin following a blow-up with head coach Leslie Frazier. The incident was credited for why Harvin was placed on injured reserve and why the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin.

Mike Max of WCCO Radio reported this weekend that the Vikings are actively pursuing a trade for wide receiver Percy Harvin.

According to the report, the reason the Vikings put Harvin on injured reserve while he was healing from an ankle injury was related to a meltdown Harvin had that was directed toward head coach Leslie Frazier in the presence of several players.

Sources said that teammates didn’t take well to Harvin’s blow-up at Frazier, which was similar to an episode Harvin had with former head coach Brad Childress. As a result, the report claims, the Vikings are looking to trade Harvin while his trade value is high.

Harvin is under contract for one more season and there has been speculation that, if the Vikings were looking to trade Harvin, any potential trade would likely have to come prior to this year’s draft.
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All Texans fans should start a chain mass email to Rick Smith to ask him to get this done. Harvin can be #2 now and future #1 after AJ is gone.
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Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.
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This is a guy I'd LOVE to have
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Default Re: Minnesota Vikings: Percy Harvin Could Be Traded

So he had a blow ups with two head coaches

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So he had a blow ups with two head coaches
Hmmm
So what he is a diva as long as he can get the job done on the field thats all I care about. Its not like he was accused of double homicide.
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Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.
Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho .....
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All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.
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Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.
Cant trade comp picks.
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All I had to read was that he had problems with Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier to know that our team will not go for him.

I know our team could use him though. IMO our offense missed Jacoby. Hear me out on that first. Even though Jacoby would drop passes, he also made long plays and a defense still had to respect him. We didn't have that last year and we became one dimensional in our passing game (horizontal). If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.

Perhaps we can package our compensatory picks and make something happen though. But we all know our FO's philosophy is to keep our draft picks to build our team through the draft.
Can't trade comp picks.

I'm kind of weery about Harvin. Maybe we could send AJ up there to slap the crap out of him a few times to help get his mind right first.
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I know our team could use him though.
If we had a legitimate deep threat not named Andre Johnson, then alot more stuff would've opened up for us.
Is Percy Harvin a deep threat? I think he's more of a flex player, kinda like James Casey. I don't think he's a true WR. I've been given flack about it before, but I stand by that statement. He's a playmaker & that's what makes him dangerous. He is not a deep threat.

Check out his avg per catch, it's reads more like a really good TE or a RB, not a WR. He had 62 catches for 677 yards @ 10.9 ypc. He's had 8 catches over 20 yards, 1 catch over 40 yards, 36 first downs, 3 TDs.

By comparison, Kevin Walter had 41 catches for 518 yards @ 12.6 ypc. He had 5 catches over 20 yards, 1 over 40 yards, 27 first downs, & 2 TDs.

I'm all about getting play makers on the field, so I'm on board with bringing Percy Harvin to Houston. But he's not going to stretch the field. I don't think he has to, we'd still need to acquire a speed receiver to stretch the field.
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Those first and second round picks are very valuable and since they are now salary slotted are a major way of cap management Also the salary cap and NFL rules are very trade prohobitive .... I would be hard pressed to give up a #1 or #2 for any player in the league (save for the obvious stars).

You look at what other players have been moved for - Brandon Marshall (third I believe) Demeco (5th) and a host of others .... history says picks are worth more than even established players in most cases.

If Minny is to move Harvin , I dont see them having a lot of leverage against those teams inolved. I think he could be had for a 3rd rounder or less.

As for Harvin being a headcase , I think the no nonsense attitude of many of the guy's on this roster along with Kubiak being a hardass even if you guy's dont see it or the media portrays him otherwise would keep him in line.

I dont know that McNair would sign off on that deal tho .....
I consider Harvin to be a star type player,so I wouldn't have a problem giving up a 2nd,although I see your point. He would be a perfect fit for a rag armed QB like Schaub. He's great at running bubble screens drags and stuff close to the LOS. Harvin is a threat to score a TD any time he has the ball in hisands. Whether it's out wide, in the slot or in the backfield. The Texans have never really had a weapon like Harvin. I can only dream about how Gary would use him all over the field.

You need a WR/KR? Harvin is one of the best. Although he hasn't been PR much anymore.

The Bears gave up two 3rds for Marshall. Think they would do that deal again? I view Harvin in the same light as Marshall. Harvins problems with coaches/management all go back to him wanting a new contract. So I dont see him as being a lockeroom problem.

I cant see BoB trading for a guy like Harvin either. It might be to traumatic to bring in a guy like Harvin at 10 mil per year.
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Last offseason when Harvin was rumored to be on the block I suggested the Texans trade for Harvi and most people on the MB said no he wouldn't be worth a 1st rd pick.

I wonder how those people feel about Harvin after an MVP type season? I would rather cut all of the Texans FA's except Quin if it meant adding Harvin.
He'd be worth whatever it took for Houston to land him.
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Just some more stats on the guy in case people hadn't researched what he did in 2011 to his injury and last year in general when he was getting early MVP talk

bleacherreport.com/articles/1376111-nfl-awards-percy-harvin-and-7-surprising-mvp-candidates

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Of receivers who have received 36 or more targets, Harvin has the highest target-to-catch percentage, coming down with 79 percent of the 62 targets (sixth in the NFL) he's received.


This former Florida Gator leads the league in both receptions (49) and yards after catch (316). After Harvin's 316 yards after catch, Darren Sproles is a distant second with 230. Such goes to show just how explosive this Minnesota pass-catcher is with the ball in hands

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-mvp-candidate


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It's worked well since then. Harvin has led the NFL (among wide receivers) in offensive touches in the past year with 151. By comparison, the next highest total is 111 by Wes Welker of New England.
With those touches, Harvin makes a difference. He's racked up 1,362 combo yards (1,113 receiving, 249 rushing) for an average of 9.01 yards every time he touches the ball.


Even more incredible, those numbers don't even include his kick returns. In addition to having a 105-yard kickoff return against the Detroit Lions on September 30, Harvin has been averaging 38.3 yards per return, which leads the NFL.
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A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.
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A team starved for play makers and in a playoff battle IR'ed him for a sprained ankle. Tells me a lot about what he brings. I don't care if my players are boy scouts, but I don't want a me first diva.
Gotta respect Frazier & that organization for standing behind him.
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I like Harvin. But if you heard the strange interview where the Vikings were entirely evasive as to if Harvin was going to be back or not..........no explanation was made for why he might not return.

Just throwing out something to think about. In 2010, Harvin rolled his ankle.......his left ankle. This past season, he again rolled his ankle......his left ankle again. But this time it was a confirmed COMPLETE rupture of the lateral ankle ligament (not really widely publicized). Whether this injury is treated by surgery, or as it has been with Harvin with conservative treatment, studies have shown that 10 to 30% of patients have chronic symptoms, including persistent synovitis (inflammation of the ankle joint) or tendinitis, ankle stiffness, swelling, pain, muscle weakness, complaints of the ankle “giving-way,” and recurrent injury. Ongoing physical therapy programs are geared to reduce instability. However, for individuals with chronic instability refractory to conservative measures, surgery may be needed.....with further concerns listed above......on top of the additional concern of surgical complications.

It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.
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You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.
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You guys actually think there is even a slight chance that the Texans would bite on this trade? Lol!

There is no way the Texans even touch this guy. Injury prone, attitude problems, and a trade involving multiple picks for Rick to negotiate? You guys are dreaming.

Either way that is way to much money for Harvin.
Bolded is not true. I think, up until this injury, he had missed like 3 games in his career. People just liked to talk about the migraines. He played in 15, 14 and 16 games his first 3 years.

I also don't get the attitude issues. As I pointed out in the stats earlier, the guy was one of the best overall players in the league for 2011 and into 2012 and did anything the team asked of him from returner, to RB to WR
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...It may be that the Vikings know something that they are not being totally honest about.
Yep, and if Harvin does have a potentially chronic ankle there's no way he plays under his current contract. His best position is to hold out for a trade with a new contract and do what he can to pass the physical.
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