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View Poll Results: What is a reasonable price for Connor Barwin?
$2M/yr 24 25.81%
$3M/yr 33 35.48%
$4M/yr 26 27.96%
$5M/yr 7 7.53%
$6M/yr 2 2.15%
$7M/yr 1 1.08%
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Old 02-03-2013   #1
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Default Reasonable price for Barwin? *UPDATE* Signed by Eagles

This is really a gauge of Richard Smith's performance. Barwin's future with the Texans will be front & center of this year's off season. Will Smith be able to land him? Or won't he? Will he have to overpay to keep him?

In order to determine if "we" overpay or not, we need to throw some numbers out there. Most fans generally try to stay away from mentioning a specific number as most fans don't know what "fair value" is or the intricacies of the salary cap.

Most likely we'll get it wrong anyway, so let's just throw a number out there & hope the aggregate will give us something to work with. It's going to be a poll, the numbers should be simple (million per year), & we'll be able to figure an average dollar amount.

Now, when we're talking about cost, the only thing that really matters is his cap number. The cap number usually changes over the career of the athlete, so, to keep it simple, we're just talking about Barwin's avg cap number over the next three years. So if you think, like I do, that Barwin should not count against the cap more than $2M/yr over the next three years, your number is $2M/yr.

If his cap number works out to be $2M/yr for 2013, $2M/yr for 2014, and $6M/yr for 2015, his average would be $3.3M/yr & I would say Smith slightly overpaid.

There are all kinds of other implications involved with a contract which would make it good/bad, but for this exercise we're just worried about his average cap number over the next three years.

So let's get started.

What is a reasonable price for Connor Barwin?
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OK I'll bite: I expect Barwin gets a contract that averages 4 M a year over 4 to 5 years. Now only part of that will be guaranteed of course, but the "total compensation" will average 'bout 4 M a year. And that's market prices, so that meets my definition of "reasonable".
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He averaged 7 sacks a year the last two years . I'll look up someone in that range .
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Some team will overpay for Barwin, methinks.

It's not like it would be difficult to outbid us since we're up against the cap.
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OK I'll bite: I expect Barwin gets a contract that averages 4 M a year over 4 to 5 years.
Jarret Johnson got a 4 year $19 million deal from the Chargers last year. Barwin will certainly get more than that, because he's 5 years younger. I just think he will be overpayed but some needy team. Barwin is not even the 6th best player on this defense. Not worth pursuing.
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Jarret Johnson got a 4 year $19 million deal from the Chargers last year. Barwin will certainly get more than that, because he's 5 years younger. I just think he will be overpayed but some needy team. Barwin is not even the 6th best player on this defense. Not worth pursuing.
Not disagreeing but I have to say concerned because if they do move Reed to ILB that looks like they need to acquire 2 new OLB's - one starter and one rotation/depth and that is hoping Mercilus makes a healthy 2nd year leap.
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Jarret Johnson got a 4 year $19 million deal from the Chargers last year. Barwin will certainly get more than that, because he's 5 years younger.I just think he will be overpayed but some needy team.
I agree, if anything I might have understated Barwin's market value. But where's
your vote up there, mine is the only one > 3 M a year ?
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Barwin is not even the 6th best player on this defense. Not worth pursuing.
Possibly, but next to maybe only CB, he's plays the most important position in the 3-4. Obviously it therefor commands more cap space, maybe much more cap space than other positions.
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I agree, if anything I might have understated Barwin's market value. But where's
your vote up there, mine is the only one > 3 M a year ?

Possibly, but next to maybe only CB, he's plays the most important position in the 3-4. Obviously it therefor commands more cap space, maybe much more cap space than other positions.
I didn't vote because I don't feel the Texans should make a long term investment in Barwin. I just would rather see the Texans go with Mercilus and Reed at OLB next season.
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I don't know ... who you got at 6th?
I would pay Jackson or Quin before I invested in Barwin. And I'm not huge fans of theirs (though Jackson made big strides in 2012). I expect Mercilus to be at least as good, if not better than Barwin in 2013. And Reed and Barwin are probably a push, with Reed still on his rookie deal.
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I don't know ... who you got at 6th?

I say close between Barwin and Reed?
I would rather have Jackson, Quin & possibly Reed over Barwin.

For this discussion I will say anything over four million a year and he's no longer a Texan. I think another team will possibly spend 5M for him though. Four to five million is what he will get IMO.
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I voted 3 mil. But honestly i hope they let him walk. His and cody's antics have grown thin. No need to mention the embarrasing "Letterman debacle". Hopefully he gets his bank i just hope it isnt here. The worlds largest hipster can shine elsewhere
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Barwin's antics really statred to get on my nerves. I have no problem with a team wanting to have some fun, but throwing around letterman jackets for the world to see before a game against the New England Patriots is just unacceptable and it just shows that this team is not mentally ready play with the big boys of the NFL. No need to give good money to an average player with goofy looking hair.
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we based on production and skill and future protentional


so that saying lets just let him walk and get it over with
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I'd offer him a 1 year 4 million dollar deal as a "prove it" type of contract. If he really wants to stay in Houston, he can do well in 2013 and we can negotiate again next year. There's no point in giving him 4 years, 24 million with 12 guaranteed, which is what I think he will get offered by a needy team with lots of capspace. I don't think he's worth that much to the Texans right now.
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I say close between Barwin and Reed?
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Chose the lowest price because i couldn't go lower.

Do not want.
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I've seen this at least three times.... interesting.

So far, we've got 37 votes for $119M for an average of $3.2M

Which I could live with. However, if I were Barwin, I'd hold out for at least a 1 year $5M deal & get a do over. I'd probably do it if I were a Texan, if Wade wants him, but he would be the SOLB. If he's not good with playing that position, I'd let him walk.

I think he can get 5 to 8 sacks from that position. Probably the same as WOLB, but we need double digits from the WOLB & Barwin just isn't that guy.

Anyway. Thought I'd look up T-Sizzle's Contract. 6 Years, $62M or $10.3M/yr.
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I don't know ... who you got at 6th?

I say close between Barwin and Reed?
I'd put Glover Quin and Kareem Jackson ahead of Barwin .... TBH , Im more concerned with resigning Quin than Barwin.

I do believe that Barwin's role changed significantly after Cushing went down .... prior to that , he was almost always in attack mode going after the QB , post Cushing injury we saw him in coverage quite often chasing RB's around (not so much TE's) .... and he did a reasonably good job.

He didnt put up big sack numbers but he was getting pressure often getting there a half step late. I dont think he had as bad a year as some others do .... and wouldnt mind him returning at the right price (~3m-3.5m) tho I'd really have to see how that affects other positions - especially Quin.
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I voted on the basis of what would be reasonable to pay Barwin within the Texans organization and their pay scale.

So, I voted $7 million, given the contract that they gave Matt Schaub last year on a hope and a dream that he would miraculously have a great 2012.

On the other hand, it would also be like them to just let him go like they did Leach. If they do, I hope he goes to the Colts, Patriots, Ravens or Broncos and be on a fast path to a Ring.
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