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Old 01-17-2013   #1
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Default Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

Let us assume that Schaub remains the starter next year.
There is obviously a level that the rest of the team could reach that would win the Super Bowl despite a sub par qb.
What level is that?

If we had Brisiel and Winston back for instance.
Got someone with the talent of Dwayne Bowe to play opposite of Andre.
Barwin regain his form from last year.
Draft someone on the level of Kareem Jackson let's say to play the nickel corner. Draft someone that is just as good as Manning to play the third safety.
Get someone along the lines of a Bruce Carter to play alongside Cushing.

Just how many positions, and how much of an upgrade at each of those positions, do we need to upgrade to where you would feel comfortable going to battle with Schaub?

Would finding comparable replacements that brings the line back to 2011 standards and Barwin getting 15 sacks and getting Bowe opposite Andre make you feel confident with our chances at the Super Bowl? Would we need to upgrade even more than that?
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

We need a lot in general, not just "upgrades." A right guard for depth, a starting ILB, a starting NT, a WR to replace Posey, a CB for depth, a safety for depth, an OLB if we let Barwin walk.
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Let us assume that Schaub remains the starter next year.
There is obviously a level that the rest of the team could reach that would win the Super Bowl despite a sub par qb.
What level is that?

If we had Brisiel and Winston back for instance.
Got someone with the talent of Dwayne Bowe to play opposite of Andre.
Barwin regain his form from last year.
Draft someone on the level of Kareem Jackson let's say to play the nickel corner. Draft someone that is just as good as Manning to play the third safety.
Get someone along the lines of a Bruce Carter to play alongside Cushing.

Just how many positions, and how much of an upgrade at each of those positions, do we need to upgrade to where you would feel comfortable going to battle with Schaub?

Would finding comparable replacements that brings the line back to 2011 standards and Barwin getting 15 sacks and getting Bowe opposite Andre make you feel confident with our chances at the Super Bowl? Would we need to upgrade even more than that?
All of the above you mentioned would help, but we also need a bit of a more aggressive philosophy on offense. I think we need to draft with the intent of improving our pass rush even more. Win that battle at the line of scrimmage more than they do and we can beat them.

That is our best bet.
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

im looking for not so much generalizations, but more specifics.
i know the positions we need, but i want to know just what level of greatness the rest of the team must reach to compensate for schaub.
if we had a demarcus ware type talent at olb and a justin smith type talent at dt would those two guys alone put you in a frame of mind of thinkining we have better than even odds of making a super bowl.
im just trying to get an idea of just how lucky we have to be in acquiring talent and just how exceptional eveyone else is going to have to be since the constant is obviousky going to be schaub.
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im looking for not so much generalizations, but more specifics.
i know the positions we need, but i want to know just what level of greatness the rest of the team must reach to compensate for schaub.
Is that you Gary? Looking for a little advice from the boards eh?
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its probably too complicated of a question to really be able to answer.
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With Schaub as QB you basically need 10 other pro-bowlers on offense to win the super bowl.
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

on offensive ...????

another play maker at the #2 WR slot

a beast of a RT

a true Beast of a FB

a much better Special Teams


if we get all that schub will be better ..cause i like what we got a Guards and are TE's are good OD and hopefully a improved Garrett
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With Schaub as QB you basically need 10 other pro-bowlers on offense to win the super bowl.
If that's the case I wonder what the Broncos would need, assuming Peyton Manning remains the starter.
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

Team speed and playmakers to surround Schuab. After rewatching the NE playoff game we lack the speed to win individual match ups. Also we do not audible on offense which is a disadvantage and why we have a lot of 3 and outs. If we can not run the ball we can not throw it. When we lined up in the shotgun the Pats played us to run short routes and that's what we did with only a 4 man rush and at the most 5. Kubiak needs to turn over the play calling, offense was better when Shanny was able to call a play every now and then. It almost seems that every pass is predetermined by Kubiak telling Schaub exactly who to go to by design no matter what the defense does. If you rewatch the game look at Schaub when he comes to the los, no looking over the defense to see what they are running to make adjustments, just snaps the ball when it is a pass he looks at his primary as soon as it is snapped. Also if look at the other wr they do not sell there route if they are not the primary. Look at first drive of the game on the Casey drop Foster went in motion and just kinda jogged to the corner never looking for the ball or even making a move. Also look at Daniels when he came of the los he ran his route and you can tell he was looking at Casey not at Schuab knowing the ball was not coming to him even though he was open.

Sorry for getting off the subject a bit.
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

Blocking, blocking, and blocking.
Not just for the passing game, but also for the running game so we can move the chain.

Imagine the Texans facing a guy like J. J. Watt twice a year, instead of a second tier D-lineman from our rivals.

Wade Smith hasn't been healthy in a long time, and it doesn't look like that is going to change.

While both Jones and Brandon Brooks showed promises, they are still way too inconsistent.

And Newton barely makes the grade when he was healthy.

Casey isn't cutting it as a blocking FB and O.D. has never been much at blocking either.

Either we get a bona-fide heavyweight at FB or we need another great blocking TE, preferrably both.

That's at least 3 positions to upgrade.
Good linemen can only be found in the top two rounds.
You can find one a little later but he'll likely be a project or a platoon player to start out (spelling Newton or one of the Guards in a rotation.)

A blocking FB and a blocking TE can be found in the 4th or later.

(I haven't looked at the FBs yet, but there are a couple of TEs in the draft that look good in blocking - I still hate it that we didn't take Brandon Myers who is now with the Raiders.)

Then find a speedster at WR in the third round. He can be raw like Jacoby was but as long as be can stretch the field, he'll help.
T.J. Graham, T.Y Hilton, Leonard Hankerson, Clyde Gates, they all are guys that were drafted in the third or lower the last two years.)

Revamp the defense with a FA and the rest of your draft class.

It's not easy but it can be done; at least you can upgrade the team some.
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Default Re: Assuming Schaub starts, how much do we need to upgrade

Sorry, I was typing on my tablet last night. Couldn't really elaborate on my replies.

The other 10 guys being Pro Bowlers is probably the closest to a correct answer as can be had lol

I think if we had Dwayne Bowe at the other receiver, Amendola in the slot, Winston and Brisiel both back and maybe an upgrade at tight end to a guy with a little more quickness and overall speed than Daniels.

Then we would be in good shape to do what we needed to do on offense. The running game would be better and we would have better playmakers across the board once Schaub gets rid of the ball.

We are obviously not going to have those specific players back, but just an idea of the caliber of player we need in those positions to feel comfortable in letting Schaub run the show.

So, we have to hope that Brooks and Newton elevate their play to a Brisiel and Winston level. Draft Tavon Austin in the first to fill the Amendola role. Draft Da'Rick Rodgers in the second to fill the Dwayne Bowe role. Get Jordan Reed in the third and hope he's some semblance of Aaron Hernandez.

Not really expecting a good answer here, just trying to wrap my head around just how much better the rest of the team is going to need to be to counteract the deficiency at qb.
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its probably too complicated of a question to really be able to answer.
We probably need a little more luck than we need an upgrade at any position. I do think HFA would have helped, if Denver were to beat New England. If we were to get Baltimore at home, I think we had a better chance of winning that game than the Patriots on the road.

I think the Patriots would have beat us at home, so we would have needed Denver to beat them.

& by a little luck, I mean someone with a better grasp of how the game is going. I think both Minnesota & the last Colts game were winnable if we'd have gotten our heads out of our butts sooner.

There were plays to be made with the game pan we used, but the "stay calm, don't get too high or too low" mentality killed us over the last 6 weeks.
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We probably need a little more luck than we need an upgrade at any position. I do think HFA would have helped, if Denver were to beat New England. If we were to get Baltimore at home, I think we had a better chance of winning that game than the Patriots on the road.

I think the Patriots would have beat us at home, so we would have needed Denver to beat them.

& by a little luck, I mean someone with a better grasp of how the game is going. I think both Minnesota & the last Colts game were winnable if we'd have gotten our heads out of our butts sooner.

There were plays to be made with the game pan we used, but the "stay calm, don't get too high or too low" mentality killed us over the last 6 weeks.
dont worry the texans will be right back in it next year. thunder, do you you think we can beat the ravens sunday, and if you dont mind what did the texans do in there game against the ravens to have success because you guys destroyed them. i pray new england can beat them the way you guys did, unfortunatly we dont have jj watt and jonathan joseph on defense. watt is the best defensive player in the nfl, what a beast.
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Someone, anyone, WR, RB, coach, that knows where the 1st down maker is on 3rd down because most of our team seems to have forgotten.

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Simple, we would just need all of the 52 other players on the roster to be Jesus ...
Speaking of which, how many players stepped up for the Patriots, other than the QB, compared to our players?

Welker --- Andre: Welker
Hernandez -- Daniels: Hernandez
Vareen/Riddley --- Foster: Vareen/Riddley
Patriots OL --- Texans OL: Patriots OL
Patriots D --- Texans D: Patriots D

Look, I understand Matt's the leader, but we "brag" about many other guys on this team & those guys didn't show up any more than Matt did. Yeah, he's got his limitations, but some of this is getting out of hand, way out of hand.

Does anyone sport their Matt Schaub Jersey on Sunday? Sound off if you were wearing a Matt Schaub jersey last Sunday. Sound off if you were wearing one Saturday the week before.

Other than Jj Watt, which one of your favorite player stepped up Sunday? Which one outplayed their counter part on the Patriots team?
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Speaking of which, how many players stepped up for the Patriots, other than the QB, compared to our players?

Welker --- Andre: Welker
Hernandez -- Daniels: Hernandez
Vareen/Riddley --- Foster: Vareen/Riddley
Patriots OL --- Texans OL: Patriots OL
Patriots D --- Texans D: Patriots D

Look, I understand Matt's the leader, but we "brag" about many other guys on this team & those guys didn't show up any more than Matt did. Yeah, he's got his limitations, but some of this is getting out of hand, way out of hand.

Does anyone sport their Matt Schaub Jersey on Sunday? Sound off if you were wearing a Matt Schaub jersey last Sunday. Sound off if you were wearing one Saturday the week before.

Other than Jj Watt, which one of your favorite player stepped up Sunday? Which one outplayed their counter part on the Patriots team?
Well, Shane Graham wasn't one of my favorites but he outdueled his counterpart by kicking a longer FG, and also had a better net kick-off average.
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schaub's pass protection was well above average this season. it's up to him to go through his progressions and make the difficult throws.
The pass protection in the play offs was excellent. We allowed one sack vs NE...

And that was the play where schaub fumbled the ball all by himself and fell on it.
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The pass protection in the play offs was excellent. We allowed one sack vs NE...

And that was the play where schaub fumbled the ball all by himself and fell on it.
You know that doesn't mean the pass pro was excellent. Schaub helped with that, by getting the ball out quick. On our second drive, Schaub threw for three first downs, back to back to back. We then tried to run the ball, ended up in third & long. He threw to a receiver 3 yards short of the sticks, because he had a free rusher in his grill.

Our first drive, even though he didn't get sacked, he had Newton sitting in his lap for both throws into the endzone.

The pass pro was good, I've only studied those first two possessions so far. Newton was adequately decent, the interior, Jones, Myers, & Smith were excellent, Brown was pretty good. This is just pass pro, & just those two drives.... 6 or 7 passes. But I don't think pass protection got much better than that. I mean we had Schaub playing rugby for parts of the game.
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Yes he got it out quick ... to the ground ... over Andres head ... out of bounds ... to a LB ...
ck, that surprised me too because shaub had plenty of time to do something with that ball rather tha throw it away. the texans will be fine, you guys are on the edge of greatness. great skilled players, jj watt, arian, andre, cmon those guys are beasts and matchup nightmares for opponents. good luck next year and you will win afc south again and for years to come. i feel bad for indy, lol
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