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Old 01-17-2013   #1
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Our sources wouldn’t rule out the possibility [of drafting a QB], pointing to the situations of the 49ers and Seahawks, neither of whom felt they needed a starter when they selected Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson in the second and third rounds, respectively, the past two years.

We hear the Texans would love to have a mobile QB like one of the two aforementioned rising stars.

“Steve Young won a Super Bowl in this offense,” noted a daily team observer. “John Elway was a really good runner. Jake Plummer was a really good runner. When you’re running a bootleg, there is only one guy there to stop the QB. A mobile QB is great for the system.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/texans-...7068--nfl.html

Interesting. I wouldn't mind drafting a QB in the earlier rounds. If we get lucky, we'll find the next Russell Wilson.
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IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
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IDK, I've heard this draft is pretty thin at QB.
True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
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True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
Isn't that what Yates was???
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True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
yeah like Case Keenum
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The 2002 Bucs had the number one scoring defense.
The 2000 Ravens had the number one scoring defense.
The 1991 Redskins had the number two scoring defense.

So, 1987 was the last time you had a team win the Super Bowl that did not have a Hall of Fame qb or a top two defense. Heck, even if you just say you need a #1 defense overall, you still have to go back to 1991 to find a team that did not have that or a HOF qb.
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I know Tom Landry experimented with changing QBs out every other snap...and it was a HUGE failure.

However, what would be the chances in the near future that an NFL team designs two offenses...one for a pocket passer, and one for a scrambling QB, and then they convince those two guys to split the duties according to whatever team they are facing?

One week, your pocket passer might be the answer to an opposing defense.

The next week, you might pull him in favor of the more mobile QB who can take advantage of perhaps a completely different type of opposing defense.

The payoff would be that teams no longer have to stick with ONE GUY the whole way through, there is a prearranged agreement whereby the whole team buys into the deal. More teamwork than Lone Ranger stuff like we have always seen in the NFL.

The NFL is changing. The rules for QBs, Receivers, and Defenses are begging a team to take advantage of it.
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We've drafted a QB in the past, this wouldn't be much of a surprise. Schaub just got paid so I think it's safe to say he'll be the starter no matter who might be drafted.

In the end, it'll be status quo for the offense, considering we'll be rolling out the same scheme with the same guy running it. We can only hope bolstering the defense and the Oline can get us to the top. If not, we've reached our peak
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We've drafted a QB in the past, this wouldn't be much of a surprise. Schaub just got paid so I think it's safe to say he'll be the starter no matter who might be drafted.

In the end, it'll be status quo for the offense, considering we'll be rolling out the same scheme with the same guy running it. We can only hope bolstering the defense and the Oline can get us to the top. If not, we've reached our peak
I do think, if Kubiak and Smith and his crew review the tapes...and IF they see that Matt Schaub's inability to evade pressure and even make just some semblance of a play while on the run (and let's face it, he can't)...then I think there's nothing holding this team back from trading Schaub away.

I don't think it would happen, but frankly I do think (unless he has a trade clause I don't know about) that it IS an option if they wanted to rid the cap fallout and start over.

There are a handful of teams whom I think would consider taking Schaub and his salary. We might even have to sweeten the pot somehow, but if they wanted to get rid of Schaub and his contract...I think they could get it done.

But yet I also will say that will never happen. They will think they just need better OL protection for him, he just needs more talent at the WR and TE position. And better defense around him. They will talk themselves into ignoring the obvious, which is their standard operating procedure.
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Doug Williams was always and is now still underrated. People can say what they want about him but the Bucs didn't win till he got there and he was a very important part of that Redskins SB.

Now that quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles, teams are really starting to exploit the protections. The defenses around the league have been fined gargantuan sums of money for intimidating wr's and qb's for the last couple of years so I think the new era of arena league scoring is off and running.

I don't think teams "need" a running quarterback, but I think the old template isn't the only way to go anymore even though I think that Brady is going to win another one this year. Classic drop back guy isn't dead, but I think more and more quality offensive teams will start to look like the Kapernick 9ers, the RG3 Skins and Wilson Seahawks as the offensive weapons are all bubble wrapped and defenders intimidated with massive fines in this current Goodell era.
lmao @ "quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles"!!!

Classic Vinnyism, man!

We see this "running QB" trend pop up in the NFL every 10 years or so, like it's something new. I remember when Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper were predicted to be the "new breed" and I read many articles that unequivocally stated that the age of the pocket passer was quickly coming to an end.

Then Brady and Manning had HoF careers that basically told all the "experts" to STFU.

Now we are seeing the hype cycle renew itself with these young guys.

The rules in the NFL are certainly being tilted to favor offenses these days, and teams that will consistently find success will find ways to exploit these rules to their advantage.

However, I think these 'new' proto-type QBs will still have to evolve into capable passers simply because of the oft-proved tendency that age slows everyone down to some extent. Either through injury or natural decline, these cats will have to win early in their careers as "running QBs" because the NFL has a way of weeding out QBs who cannot consistently read defenses and make plays from the pocket at some point in their careers.

The NFL figures gimmicks out. The run & shoot never lasted, the wildcat is now considered trick, and with running QBs, the NFL figured out how to isolate them and forced them to make plays with their arms.

I think these younger QBs have some tools not available to previous running QBs. They have grown up learning advanced systems and techniques much earlier in life than previous generations, so I think their ceiling could be higher in terms of potential. But they will have to still learn how to read defenses and make the passes for a time when their legs eventually wear out and cannot be their primary weapon.
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lmao @ "quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles"!!!

Classic Vinnyism, man!

We see this "running QB" trend pop up in the NFL every 10 years or so, like it's something new. I remember when Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper were predicted to be the "new breed" and I read many articles that unequivocally stated that the age of the pocket passer was quickly coming to an end.

Then Brady and Manning had HoF careers that basically told all the "experts" to STFU.

Now we are seeing the hype cycle renew itself with these young guys.

The rules in the NFL are certainly being tilted to favor offenses these days, and teams that will consistently find success will find ways to exploit these rules to their advantage.

However, I think these 'new' proto-type QBs will still have to evolve into capable passers simply because of the oft-proved tendency that age slows everyone down to some extent. Either through injury or natural decline, these cats will have to win early in their careers as "running QBs" because the NFL has a way of weeding out QBs who cannot consistently read defenses and make plays from the pocket at some point in their careers.

The NFL figures gimmicks out. The run & shoot never lasted, the wildcat is now considered trick, and with running QBs, the NFL figured out how to isolate them and forced them to make plays with their arms.

I think these younger QBs have some tools not available to previous running QBs. They have grown up learning advanced systems and techniques much earlier in life than previous generations, so I think their ceiling could be higher in terms of potential. But they will have to still learn how to read defenses and make the passes for a time when their legs eventually wear out and cannot be their primary weapon.
Tebow , and VY couldn't touch Cam N , RG3 , and Colin K as far as passers go . You could throw Luck in there also because he's nowhere near a stiff as a runner .

I'm not sure about Cam and Colin but Luck and RG3 really seem to get the game and don't wan to tuck and run or dump it off every time .
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lmao @ "quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles"!!!

Classic Vinnyism, man!
No lie. Repped.
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We see this "running QB" trend pop up in the NFL every 10 years or so, like it's something new. I remember when Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper were predicted to be the "new breed" and I read many articles that unequivocally stated that the age of the pocket passer was quickly coming to an end.
And before that there was Randall Cunningham... and after that Kordell "Slash" Stewart... One could possibly put Steve McNair in that group; while he wasn't as elusive as Cunningham or Slash, he could run effectively when needed.[/quote]

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Then Brady and Manning had HoF careers that basically told all the "experts" to STFU.

Now we are seeing the hype cycle renew itself with these young guys.

The rules in the NFL are certainly being tilted to favor offenses these days, and teams that will consistently find success will find ways to exploit these rules to their advantage.

However, I think these 'new' proto-type QBs will still have to evolve into capable passers simply because of the oft-proved tendency that age slows everyone down to some extent. Either through injury or natural decline, these cats will have to win early in their careers as "running QBs" because the NFL has a way of weeding out QBs who cannot consistently read defenses and make plays from the pocket at some point in their careers.

The NFL figures gimmicks out. The run & shoot never lasted, the wildcat is now considered trick, and with running QBs, the NFL figured out how to isolate them and forced them to make plays with their arms.

I think these younger QBs have some tools not available to previous running QBs. They have grown up learning advanced systems and techniques much earlier in life than previous generations, so I think their ceiling could be higher in terms of potential. But they will have to still learn how to read defenses and make the passes for a time when their legs eventually wear out and cannot be their primary weapon.
So you're saying to have any longevity, the guys making plays with their legs today, must eventually (the sooner the better) evolve into QBs that make plays with their minds and arms?

I'm with you on that point.

Unfortunately, we have one that has limited (and diminishing) running proficiency and now his arm proficiency is being called into question.

So do we outright replace him NOW, or wait until his mind starts to write checks his body can't cash.
(yeah, I know, some of y'all think he's at that point right now...)
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lmao @ "quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles"!!!

Classic Vinnyism, man!

We see this "running QB" trend pop up in the NFL every 10 years or so, like it's something new. I remember when Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper were predicted to be the "new breed" and I read many articles that unequivocally stated that the age of the pocket passer was quickly coming to an end.

Then Brady and Manning had HoF careers that basically told all the "experts" to STFU.

Now we are seeing the hype cycle renew itself with these young guys.

The rules in the NFL are certainly being tilted to favor offenses these days, and teams that will consistently find success will find ways to exploit these rules to their advantage.

However, I think these 'new' proto-type QBs will still have to evolve into capable passers simply because of the oft-proved tendency that age slows everyone down to some extent. Either through injury or natural decline, these cats will have to win early in their careers as "running QBs" because the NFL has a way of weeding out QBs who cannot consistently read defenses and make plays from the pocket at some point in their careers.

The NFL figures gimmicks out. The run & shoot never lasted, the wildcat is now considered trick, and with running QBs, the NFL figured out how to isolate them and forced them to make plays with their arms.

I think these younger QBs have some tools not available to previous running QBs. They have grown up learning advanced systems and techniques much earlier in life than previous generations, so I think their ceiling could be higher in terms of potential. But they will have to still learn how to read defenses and make the passes for a time when their legs eventually wear out and cannot be their primary weapon.
This. I've heard the claims too that insert X qb is going to change the way the QB position is played. Haven't seen it full-time yet.

I think that's a big Reason this year Cam Newton had early problems. Teams were better prepared for the running element of his game.

I said it early on in the draft RG3 is going to have a spectacular rookie campaign, but the real test is going to be seen next year and if his body can handle the beating that it took this year. He's also going to have to bounce back from major knee surgery to boot now.

To me, Aaron Rodgers is pretty much what you want in a prototypical QB right now. Guy has a quick release, tall enough to see over the line and while his running game doesn't give defenses Cam or RG3 nightmares; he can tuck the ball then run for a first down and throws very accurately on the move.

I don't think we NEED a mobile QB on the level of RG3 or CAm, but closer to the mold of Rodgers. Just a guy who can avoid pressure in the pocket, can throw accurately on the move, and I'd really like a stronger arm to get the ball into tighter windows.

Ugh on the Manziel love. Congrats on the first season, now go repeat it with the huge bullseye that the Heisman gave him. I think you're going to see a lot more QB spying on him next year by LBers and teams are going to dare him to throw more often as opposed to let him run free like he was able to this year.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. Coaches/GMs always say they're going to do their due diligence and not rule anything out.
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I can only think of EJ Manuel if they mention mobile qb.
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Kubiak needs to get outside his comfort zone here. Dont just make the "safe pick," get somebody with a ceiling. And why settle for mobile? How bout mobile AND a legit deep ball. Our offense has become so predictible, if you add a qb who can competently threaten deep, we stop being so one dimensional. He doesn't have to start next season and drafting a guy in the top 3 rounds might light a fire in schaub and yates. There's been no competition for schaub just as there wasnt for carr.

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I can only think of EJ Manuel if they mention mobile qb.
EJ Manuel would be a good fit for this system, but I hear that he has trouble digesting the playbook and that could hurt him.
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EJ Manuel would be a good fit for this system, but I hear that he has trouble digesting the playbook and that could hurt him.
I would think that attempting to digest a playbook would, indeed, hurt him.



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I can only think of EJ Manuel if they mention mobile qb.
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We already have a QB who struggles in big games.. Manuel is even (exponentially) worse. No Thanks.
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