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Old 01-17-2013   #1
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I was re-watching the game and I wanted to focus on what exactly it was that irritated me about how we managed our attempt to win the game with a quarter left on the clock. We start the "comeback" by going for a 4th and 1 and throwing deep while deep in our own territory. This team is the king of the slant routes, the crossing pattern, the 7 yard special....but do we do what we do best? Nah, keep Foster in to block and let's throw a low % pass down field...to the rookie. On defense we roll out the same clown car with Ruud playing cornerback. After that, it's salvage the stats time and plod to our final scoring effort with 95% of the 4th quarter left. Throwing the ball deep while in 4th and 1 and chipping it down field with short passes when you have to be aggressive? If this is Kubiak's way of keeping them honest, he needs more mustard on his biscuits.

Here's how it went down:

4th & 1 on own 33. Foster stays in to block and Schaub misses on a deep route to Posey. Andre Johnson 10-15 yards further upfield in the same area. Turnover in Patriot red zone.

Pats swing Vereen out to the x wide out. Ruud runs out to cover him in space. Touchdown Patriots. 3rd TD for Vereen. Danny Woodhead started, Ridley is the feature back and Vereen is the 3rd back. One play after the turnover in our own territory we are down 13-38 with a full quarter to play.

13:05 on the clock. Houston 13, New England 38. Manning kick return to the Patriot 37 yard line. Pretty much the exact same place on the field we gave the Patriots on the initial 4th&1 in this sequence of events. After making safe throws taking what the defense gave them the Texans manage to finally score with 5:11 remaining in the game.

Patriot ball with 4:14 left in the game with a critical 3rd down situation after two runs straight up the gut for 8 yards. Kareem Jackson holds Wes Welker. Automatic 1st down, game over.
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Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.

In both Patriots games, it seems like the Texans mentally shut down in the 4th quarters. That's probably not the case to those on the team, but to the rest of us, it truly looked like they had accepted defeat in both games before the clock hit 0:00.

That loser body language and lack of spirit is something that they have to find a way to overcome. Great teams never quit, even when it looks like all is lost. They fight and claw with all their will until the game is officially over. I do not see that kind of fight in this team at this point in time. Hopefully that changes soon.
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Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.

In both Patriots games, it seems like the Texans mentally shut down in the 4th quarters. That's probably not the case to those on the team, but to the rest of us, it truly looked like they had accepted defeat in both games before the clock hit 0:00.

That loser body language and lack of spirit is something that they have to find a way to overcome. Great teams never quit, even when it looks like all is lost. They fight and claw with all their will until the game is officially over. I do not see that kind of fight in this team at this point in time. Hopefully that changes soon.
I gotta kind of disagree because If they checked out, that score never reaches 38-28.
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I gotta kind of disagree because If they checked out, that score never reaches 38-28.
I don't think they quit playing, but rather they quit thinking that they could make a comeback against the New England Patriots.
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Vaughan Cunningham: You always seem to be deep in thought. Tell me, what are you thinking right now?

Karl: I was thinkin', I'm gonna take me some of these taters home with me.

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VAUGHAN:

Oh. How about before that?

KARL:

Before that I was thinkin' it'd be good if I could get another three or four cans of that potted meat if you got any extry.
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I was re-watching the game and I wanted to focus on what exactly it was that irritated me about how we managed our attempt to win the game with a quarter left on the clock.
I work with a group of guys in an industrial environment. It gets pretty fast paced around here & it's important that we work diligently, but keep our heads as a little mistake could turn into big trouble. I never tell anyone to "slow down" but I'm always telling them to take your time, be sure, etc.. etc..

Most mistakes are made when people get in a hurry, or they're frustrated or upset & not thinking about what they are doing.

I have to imagine some of that goes into what Kubiak tells Matt, seeing how we lost so many games in 2009 & 2010 because of "silly" mistakes & during that time, when it rained, it poured.

But damn........ I've never seen it go to such extreme.


There are two ways not to make mistakes. One, is to just not do anything risky. The other, is to practice those high risk situations, until they're second nature. When Kubiak got here, Carr was stuck in the don't take risks mode & I thought Kubiak was in the "we've got to get better" mode. Sage didn't give a f & I really liked that about him. He might throw an INT, but if it was a good decision, just didn't go his way, he was going to throw that ball again in that situation next time.

Schaub was the same way. & I liked that. Short memory, try to win, get better everyday, keep taking shots.

But something has definitely changed, & I don't know why. Looking back, it was a long time coming. Though I said Schaub took chances back in the day, he stopped throwing the long ball a long time ago. I thought it was because his arm was too weak to get it ahead of Andre, but it does appear that he underthrows his receivers on purpose. So...

Long story short, yeah you're right. No sense of urgency at all.
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“Be quick, but don’t hurry” - John Wooden

His point is to do the right things, but learn how to do them quickly. Doing the right thing doesn't have to be plodding and over-cautious.

To me the slow offense is the flip side of not being ready on defense for the Patriot's hurry up offense. The seeming lack of urgency is just incompetence in that facet of the game. It funnels down from the head coach's approach. "Hurry up" is a necessary part of the game that the Texans just don't address very well. It doesn't fit well with Kubiak's football mentality.
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It doesn't fit well with Kubiak's football mentality.
I don't know if I want to go that far.

I remember when he got here, we'd run a two minute drill & somehow the other team would score twice.

However, I think we've had enough success with it over the last two or three years, that we'd run it more often. The only reason we don't.... I believe, is because he doesn't trust someone(s) on this team. I can't imagine it's the QB.

If it were the QB, he never would have extended him, unless McNair is giving Schaub that golden handshake same as Carr. Maybe this was Matt's last hurrah, I doubt it. But I've never seen a WCO quarterback that was so limited.
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I don't know if I want to go that far.

I remember when he got here, we'd run a two minute drill & somehow the other team would score twice.

However, I think we've had enough success with it over the last two or three years, that we'd run it more often. The only reason we don't.... I believe, is because he doesn't trust someone(s) on this team. I can't imagine it's the QB.

If it were the QB, he never would have extended him, unless McNair is giving Schaub that golden handshake same as Carr. Maybe this was Matt's last hurrah, I doubt it. But I've never seen a WCO quarterback that was so limited.
Kubiak is probably not very comfortable with Schaub running much of the no huddle or hurry-up offense so we didn't see it much; but the Broncos weren't shy with Elway.

That reminds me of a piece about how Kubiak said Keenum shined during TC in that aspect; he used the term "automatic" to describe Keenum.

There's an article out there on the net, let me see if I can figure how to link it with my IPhone.


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That reminds me of a piece about how Kubiak said Keenum shined during TC in that aspect; he used the term "automatic" to describe Keenum.
Automatic? Then put him in!
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Kubiak is probably not very comfortable with Schaub running much of the no huddle or hurry-up offense so we didn't see it much; but the Broncos weren't shy with Elway.
That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.
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That can't be it. No way we pay a guy $60M if they don't trust him to run a 2 minute offense. The problem has to be elsewhere. There's someone, something else he doesn't trust.
We paid Carr a bunch of money then cut him.

It's not like this franchise hadn't made mistakes and then later realized their error before.
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You guys are rewriting history now. This has never been a speedy offense. That's why they made such a big deal about the sugar huddle this season and kubiak mentioned he wanted to dabble with it.

And there were plenty of times in the past where kubiak had opted to take knees with plenty of time left on the clock before the half and people around here complained.

Our two minute offense in past seasons has been underwhelming. It's not like we were masters of the hurry up and then all of a sudden this season we changed.
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I don't have a problem with the Texans trying to catch the Pats off guard with the deep ball on 4th and 1. If they can burn them for a TD the game is 31-20 with most of the 4th left...

The problem I have is with the throw Schaub made...if he was going the throw up a prayer, throw it to Andre further down the field and give him a chance to make a play.
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I don't have a problem with the Texans trying to catch the Pats off guard with the deep ball on 4th and 1. If they can burn them for a TD the game is 31-20 with most of the 4th left...

The problem I have is with the throw Schaub made...if he was going the throw up a prayer, throw it to Andre further down the field and give him a chance to make a play.
almost a quarter left and you chunk a low % 4th down pass deep down field in double coverage and hand the ball to Tom Brady on your own 33? That's good coaching to you? This team is the BEST team in the league throwing shallow crossing routes and dinking and dunking. Take a shot at the end zone if you are on other side of the 50 perhaps, but once they gave the Pats the ball back (already in scoring position) the game was essentially over the very next play.
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almost a quarter left and you chunk a low % 4th down pass deep down field in double coverage and hand the ball to Tom Brady on your own 33? That's good coaching to you? This team is the BEST team in the league throwing shallow crossing routes and dinking and dunking. Take a shot at the end zone if you are on other side of the 50 perhaps, but once they gave the Pats the ball back (already in scoring position) the game was essentially over the very next play.
Not to mention AJ's more than likely got a safety over the top...that's an easy pick..it's 1 of the reason Schaub doesn't just throw it up there like that. Yates tried it a few times last year against the Ravens...how'd that turn out for him?
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