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Or will the team finally advance? Thoughts?
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Or will the team finally advance? Thoughts?
No I think Kubiak will get them to an AFC Championship, even if by accident or inspite of his play calling...

Any further than that? Very seriously doubt it...
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Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.
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Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.
Second best team in the league those years were the Oilers. The AFC title game was always the Super Bowl...Pittsburgh beating the NFC team was just a formality. This Texan team isn't that good.
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Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.
Yep,

Living in fear of mistakes made in the past is going to make the future so much brighter. (Sarcasm)
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Didn't work out too well the last time a Houston owner fired the Head Coach after going to the playoffs.
Can't compare Kubiak and Bum Phillips. Bum was BY FAR the better coach, and more publicy popular. While some fans would be upset with Kubiak being fired, it'd probably have as much to do with any real avaliable prospects to replace him with than being upset he's gone.
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Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.
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Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.
Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...
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Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...
But see, Gruden was let go because of mediocrity...so was it coaching, or was it "They already had the players"? Take it from me, I was Bucs all day before the Texans came around. Dungy was unjustly fired, btw. But owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.

Gruden never coached big time QBs. He turned QBs into much better players, but never got his hands on the elite of the elite. (Gannon was "ehh" before Gruden, for example)
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But see, Gruden was let go because of mediocrity...so was it coaching, or was it "They already had the players"? Take it from me, I was Bucs all day before the Texans came around. Dungy was unjustly fired, btw. But owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.

Gruden never coached big time QBs. He turned QBs into much better players, but never got his hands on the elite of the elite. (Gannon was "ehh" before Gruden, for example)
I can agree with that, but Dungy was fired because of the failures in the playoffs. That was the reason for his unjust firing...

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Gruden traded to the Bucs and not fired? Could have sworn Tampa had to give up picks to get Gruden out from under contract with the Raiders...
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owners like Glazer are the worst kinds of owners to have.
I've got to point out at this comment that the Glazers are on the verge of taking United to the next level over here though. You look at some of the transfer moves they've made, they've been bold in the transfer market time and again, and despite the uproar when they mortgaged the team to buy itself, a lot of the fans have now shut up because they see the money is being put in to keep the team winning. Wait and see in a few years once they've finished repaying the loans how quickly they'll expand that south stand at OT, it'll add over 20,000 extra seats taking the capacity up above 100k, at monumental cost due to them having to canter lever the entire thing backwards over a railway line and into the housing estate behind, yet as soon as they do that no other team on the planet will be able to compete with them financially.

Sound businessmen who find a way to invest in the team where it has an impact. Maybe they've taken their eye off the ball with the bucs somewhat over the past few years but then again the NFL franchises are set up to make a fortune regardless of success while a side like United have to stay at the top if they are to make money.

I don't see them panicking like abramovic or the sheiks at city just because Ferguson fell short in a given year. I really don't think you can berate them for changing to a HC that brought the fans an SB.
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Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...

Cowher needed a QB, when he finally got one, Super Bowl...Had Mike Smith lost that game to Seattle, I think Blank would have started looking for other options...

I don't think the Texans have neither the coach nor the QB to win it all...
You forgot to mention he beat a Raiders team who he had coached the previous year. He knew the personnel and for the most part the schemes.
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Dungy did get fired for that reason though. Could get Tampa to the playoffs, but couldn't win the big one. Lost in the playoffs in 99-2000-2001 then got let go and went to Indy and Gruden came in, took Dungy's players and won a Super Bowl...
Would you have fired Dungy? Would you have hired him at Indy and given him another 5 years of not winning it all?

Personally, I wouldn't have fired Dungy at Tampa Bay. I think that worked for a year and then Tampa Bay sunk back into the depths.

I think Dungy was setting up a team with a winning tradition. And I think he went on to do the same in Indy, although having Manning didn't hurt. And I think when Dungy was fired by the Buccs, they kinda ruined that whole concept of getting organizational structures in place that have persistence and will last.
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Would you have fired Dungy? Would you have hired him at Indy and given him another 5 years of not winning it all?

Personally, I wouldn't have fired Dungy at Tampa Bay. I think that worked for a year and then Tampa Bay sunk back into the depths.

I think Dungy was setting up a team with a winning tradition. And I think he went on to do the same in Indy, although having Manning didn't hurt. And I think when Dungy was fired by the Buccs, they kinda ruined that whole concept of getting organizational structures in place that have persistence and will last.
Excellent post- Dungy's approach was one of slow but steady improvement, getting the right players, and establishing a system. Cjuckie only got lucky because he was able to manipulate a qb TO ACHIEVE FOR ONE YEAR.
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Ugh, so this is what Chicago Bears fans felt with 9 years of Lovie Smith....
yep, pretty much. Or think the Bengals fans with Marvin Lewis. BUT, at least Kubiak has won a couple of playoff games. And a couple of division "championships". So we've got that.

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Took Cowher 14 years to do anything in Pitts with the very best scouting network, GM, and organisation that had an established winning tradition behind him.

lol Can you imagine the tantrums this lot would have!!!! Holy...

uhhh....Cowher got his team to the Super Bowl in his fourth season. Are we really going to act like this is nothing because they lost it? Most Texans fans (including me) would give Kubiak a life contract for taking a Houston football team to the Super Bowl.

I'm not a Cowher Power fan. I like the coach, but I think he's been out of the NFL for too long.

However, I think what he did with the Steelers was pretty cool. He took a team that had been struggling for years to the playoffs in his first year as HC (only one of two coaches that took his team to the playoffs for the first six years of his tenure).

What really gets me, though, is this record: Cowher's team had compiled a record of 108–1–1 in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points. Let's not act like this is nothing. That's a pretty awesome record.

Gary Kubiak is 61-55 after seven seasons. Not the same at all. I'm not slamming Kubiak, but I think it's a little disingenuous and hard on Texans fans to act like they do not have a leg to stand on.
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Would you have fired Dungy? Would you have hired him at Indy and given him another 5 years of not winning it all?

Personally, I wouldn't have fired Dungy at Tampa Bay. I think that worked for a year and then Tampa Bay sunk back into the depths.

I think Dungy was setting up a team with a winning tradition. And I think he went on to do the same in Indy, although having Manning didn't hurt. And I think when Dungy was fired by the Buccs, they kinda ruined that whole concept of getting organizational structures in place that have persistence and will last.
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Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.
Rep for this.

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Only if our owner is Bud Adams.

OR.

If we have a decade of 2nd round losses.

Take this objectively. Take the Texans out of the equation and think about other teams.

Would you have fired Mike Smith at Atlanta after getting to the playoffs several years in a row and losing their first game? Would you have fired Bill Cowher after years of not being able to "win the big one"? Would you have fired Tony Dungy for the same thing?

Before people jump on me and say "you're not mentioning Kubiak in the same sentence as Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy", yes... I am.

McNair wants to follow the Pittsburgh model. And part of that model is being patient with your coaches and general manager and allowing them to assemble the talent and build a franchise that will have a certain mind-set. The Steelers were very patient with Cowher. A lot of people in Pittsburgh wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game.

We're a young organization and a young team. We're building tradition. We've had 3 winning seasons out of the last 4. We've been to the playoffs 2 seasons in a row and won our division 2 seasons in a row. We've gone 2-2 in playoff games the past 2 years. We took a slight step back this year (even though we have a better record). We have to learn how to improve as we re-tool and prepare for the next season.

Blowing this up now because some fans are frustrated with playcalling is... well... it's not smart and very short sighted.
Took Cowher 14 years to do anything in Pitts with the very best scouting network, GM, and organisation that had an established winning tradition behind him.

lol Can you imagine the tantrums this lot would have!!!! Holy...

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Took Cowher 14 years to do anything in Pitts with the very best scouting network, GM, and organisation that had an established winning tradition behind him.

lol Can you imagine the tantrums this lot would have!!!! Holy...

Im 44 .... that team has had four coaches in my lifetime , one of them retired when I was ..... One.



But .... if you recall what Bob McNair said , if there was a team he would like to emulate , it would be the Steelers because of their stability.

Can you argue with the amount of Lombardi Trophy's they have accumulated ?!
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Im 44 .... that team has had four coaches in my lifetime , one of them retired when I was ..... One.



But .... if you recall what Bob McNair said , if there was a team he would like to emulate , it would be the Steelers because of their stability.

Can you argue with the amount of Lombardi Trophy's they have accumulated ?!
No. Which is why McNair is infinitely better than Bud, Jerrah, Al, Daniel, etc etc,...
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