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Old 01-14-2013   #1
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Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
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Could DEF be that easy, on the other could be less lucky
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It won't be easy, but maybe we will get lucky.
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one of the points that matt (610) said was that keenum looked great at practice and his arm looked good.
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Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.
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I've been supporting the idea that Keenum is a sleeper that could thrive in this system, in that he has 2 healthy and smart feet that know when to run and when not to. The "system" would not have to be entirely overhauled, it would be enhanced by the addition of game plan unpredictability and increased accuracy both short and long. Keenum was excellent in feeding his receivers in stride........inclusive of the long ball.

If you remember my post re. Texans QB Darnell's interview a few weeks ago, he was very glancing and luke warm in comments when asked about Yates........and almost giddy, going on and on over Keenum's quick and extensive progress in grasping every aspect of the NFL game and our system........at the same while showing a big time arm.

It is obvious that Schaub will be under center at the beginning of next season, his job essentially protected by his guaranteed 2nd year contract......and the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It would not surprise me at all, though, if Keenum claims #2.
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Also, people may not realize that Keenum is more potent as a running threat most imagine.

He ran for some 2,000 yards and 41 TDs in HS.

In his first year at UH, he split time at QB, logging a little more than 100 attempts (including sacks) , scoring 9 TDs
and averaged some 4 yards net per carry (including yard lost on sacks.)

He doesn't run as much in the later years yet still scored the same number of rushing TDs as Russell Wilson (23) while having 50% fewer rushing attempts (300 vs 410 something - I didn't dig deep enough to subtract the number of sacks but both guys are good enough to avoid them about the same, I think.)

RG III had 33 rushing TDs on 528 attempts, so Keenum actually had more rushing TDS per carry than him as well - no small feast.
I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.
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Could be that easy but it's going to take guts for Kubiak to go with him and try it out.

Now I can't already wait until pre-season.
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I think Keenum is more of a high scoring spread it out kind of qb. I think Yates fits what kubiak wants to do more.

Personally I'd rather have a qb like Keenum. Spread out defenses and run a fast break type of offense. Let the qb dictate the flow of the game.

I don't know if Keenum can fully take advantage of what he does well in this offense as currently constructed.
Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.
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Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.
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Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.
????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
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????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
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????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
And nobody drafted him.
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Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.
I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
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I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
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If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.
I didn't see the Florida game, but Manuel does not look like anything special to me. He looks like a more mobile, way less refined Matt schaub.
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I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
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I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.

It's sad to say that Keenum can diagnose potential blitzes and coverage switches faster and better than Schaub in his first few years here (and even right now.)

I don't think I've ever seen Keenum got sacked by a free blitzer.

And I'm not sure I remember an instance when Schaub took advantage of a free play on a defensive offside (I maybe wrong here but does anybody remember?)

On the other hand, it was pretty much automatic with Keenum, and mostly, he would take a shot deep on those free plays. And he did these things from early on in his career, too!
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I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.
Actually John, I disagree with this. I think Schuab actually is pretty "football smart"... In fact, Seth Payne tweeted something earlier today about Schaub being quite football-smart, but hampered by Kube's overbearing system.
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