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Old 01-14-2013   #1
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Just heard this nugget on Sports 790:

In 8 games against Rodgers, Stafford, P. Manning, Luck x2, Brady x2, and for ****s and giggles, Henne, the Texans defense allowed 27 TDs and ZERO ints.

Makes you rethink the draft needs, huh?

I, for one, was thinking WR or RT in the first 2 rounds, but holy ****, you've got to be kidding me on this stat. Cushing cannot mean this MUCH to our defense, can he?

I'm thinking ILB & S in round 1 & 2, now.
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Just heard this nugget on Sports 790:

In 8 games against Rodgers, Stafford, P. Manning, Luck x2, Brady x2, and for ****s and giggles, Henne, the Texans defense allow 27 TDs and ZERO ints.

Makes you rethink the draft needs, huh?
No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.
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No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.
Wait.... what???? Barwin and Williams aren't the same guy??? I've never seen the two guys in the same place at the same time....

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That said, I know every team experiences injuries, but the Texans defense was seriously disadvantaged without Cushing and the extremely dessimated at the ILB position coupled with JJo's lingering groin injury.

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Not Bulls on Charade let alone Bulls on Parade. Somewhere in between.


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With regards to the offense, CnD nailed the tapering off of Schaub as a result of the Linsfranc injury as the season progressed. Those that never read that post (or series of posts), highly recommended reading.

He may never be 100% again. I would recommend to the Texans that they draft a QB in the 3rd round or so. First round should be an ILB or WR and the second round should be an ILB or a WR....
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First round should be an ILB or WR and the second round should be an ILB or a WR....
Completely agree with this. If management chooses to do anything else its a terrible decision.
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Completely agree with this. If management chooses to do anything else its a terrible decision.
What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.
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the peyton manning game i remember about 4 dropped INTs, balls that literally hit our dbs in the hands and were just dropped.. against stafford alan ball dropped a TD saving pick. rodgers and brady seemed to always be throwing to open guys..

if youre drafting DBs should we expect any of them to come in and immediately make an impact. pass rush and ILB are where we should draft. someone to beast onlong side cush or d-line help. someone that can make an impact, not sit for a year like merci did..
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What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.
Did you see the way the defense changed when Cushing got injured? If Bradie James does't get resigned, which is a good possibility, then you have Cushing and Barrett Ruud. Sorry, but you will not win a super bowl with Barrett Ruud as your starting ILB. Ruud is a serviceable backup. Same goes with Dobbins. Sharpton has proven that he is pretty much incapable of playing good football. We need a stud like Minter from LSU to finally fill the hole that has been there since we let DeMeco go last season.
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What if we draft a 1st round Safety and he turns into an All-Pro. Bad decision?

Kubiak has stated they will be going BPA at the top of the draft and filling needs as it progresses.
Completely agree with the safety thing.

If you asked me "If you could draft a all-pro at any position outside of QB what position would it be?"

I'd say FS.

Look at the past great defenses, the Steelers and Ravens. They have had some of the best Safeties and so has past great defenses.

At the very least a ball hawking guy. Maybe Jairus Byrd? I haven't seen much of his game though...

But the point is, Texans get beat deep a lot because QBs don't even respect our safeties outside of Quinn. Just throw it up there, you'll get a P.I or a wide open 40+ yard pass.

Also, on the fly he can cover TEs.

We need another dynamic player up the middle on defense though. Whether it's a new NT that can constantly get a push up the middle, a new ILB, or a Safety...I'd take any.

I think the pass rush will get better naturally if we get any one of those three.
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No shocker there, in those games we got 0 outside pressure from our OLB, which the LB core got crushed this year with injuries, and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.
Except Mario was never that invisible. He would at least have a game where he crushed a TE or two. Barwin did absolutely zero.

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Shaun Cody is non-existant. He needs to go, let Earl Mitchell take over full time. People really did take Mario for granted last year and thought that Barwin and Reed were better than they really were. Linebacker help is sorely needed. We cant start Ruud in the AFC divisional game and expect to win. As much help as we need at WR I would not be surprised if we drafted Minter out of LSU and expect him to start right away. Either that or resign James for 1 more year to let him grow then put him out there the next year. Shiloh Keo is not worthy of starting, and Brandon Harris was EXTREMELY spotty this year. This was not the same D as the 2011 season, and after Cushing go injured the sloppiness continued, particularly vs. quality teams (PATS)
I would love to keep Rudd for depth. I think he did a decent job considering when we got him. Just cant be your starter.

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I'm not saying we don't need help on defense. Losing Ryans and Cushing killed the ILB position. Losing Barwin to a season ending suckfest killed the OLB position. But here's the thing - the rules are set up so that QBs like the ones you mentioned are going to get theirs. So even if the defense had been better, those QBs were going to get yards and TDs. So we need an offense that has a QB that can get TDs.
Get theirs, yes. To the tune of 27 tds-0 int's? That's not getting yours, that's getting it prison style.
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i'm now convinced on the NT upgrade
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...and Connor Barwin all but dissappeared and did his best Mario Williams imitation.
Williams had his share of underachievment here in Houston. But, he never had a dismal season such as Barwin's. Barwin was lined up half the time next to the best pass rusher in the league. And he could only come up with 3 sacks? To top that, this was a contract year. I'd like to know what happened to this guy.
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Williams had his share of underachievment here in Houston. But, he never had a dismal season such as Barwin's. Barwin was lined up half the time next to the best pass rusher in the league. And he could only come up with 3 sacks? To top that, this was a contract year. I'd like to know what happened to this guy.
Lance Z. has said on a couple occassions that Barwin lead the league in untouched sacks with 7 in 2011. Claims that most of these were from a particular stunt that the Texans used well 2011 that team figured out in 2012.

short answer..2011 may have been the fraud season.
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i'm now convinced on the NT upgrade
Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

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Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Mitchell had a FF.

Isaac Sopoaga San Francisco NT - 27 tackles, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 1 sack

Casey Hampton Pittsburgh NT - 26 tackles, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 TD, 0 sacks - 5 time probowler.
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Everyone except the Texans are convinced. How much pressure have we gotten from our NTs? How many tackles? How many sacks?

Shaun Cody>>>>31 tackles>>>>>>2 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Earl Mitchell>>>>17 tackles>>>>>>3 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

Totals>>>>>>>>58 tackles>>>>>>5 pass defenses>>>>>>>0 sacks

i don't know the perecentage of time, but more than not the first person(s) out when the Texans go to the 4-2-5- is the NT. Watt and smith play DT and Olbs play DE. Not saying that these guys should not have lucked into a sack or so even out of base defense, but currently the NTs in Wade's system really are not fulltime players either alone or as a group.
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Plain and simple the value of Cushing has been seen this year. Watt is the best player on the defense but Cushing is MVP of our defense. Cushing calls the defense never leaves the field and is a beast in the running game and the 2nd best pass rusher on the team. The defense went down hill with his loss.
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Shaun Cody is non-existant. He needs to go, let Earl Mitchell take over full time. People really did take Mario for granted last year and thought that Barwin and Reed were better than they really were. Linebacker help is sorely needed. We cant start Ruud in the AFC divisional game and expect to win. As much help as we need at WR I would not be surprised if we drafted Minter out of LSU and expect him to start right away. Either that or resign James for 1 more year to let him grow then put him out there the next year. Shiloh Keo is not worthy of starting, and Brandon Harris was EXTREMELY spotty this year. This was not the same D as the 2011 season, and after Cushing go injured the sloppiness continued, particularly vs. quality teams (PATS)
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im actually good with our db's. they do good enough considering how often they're all left in single coverage. the only db that needs upgrading is the demps/keo dime safety. either that or find a way to work harris & brice both into that formation next yr.

all our front 7 not named JJ, antonio & cush need to play better. maybe if we were able to get pressure with 4, wade will ease back on the suicidal blitzing
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We need a playmaking Safety. We don't, and never have, had one. I like Quin, we really need to re-sign him, and Manning is good too. But we run so many Nickel & Dime sets that we need good depth players too. Losing McCain really hurt us in both NE games and the lack of another solid Safety did as well. Demps was awful in both games.
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Yes, if it keeps Shiloh Keo off the field. Lack of speed, poor angles and instincts, poor tackling technique. And those are his strong points.
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