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Old 01-13-2013   #1
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Default 2012 a rebuilding year?

I made a thread on this earlier in the season. We lost Winston, Mario, Dreessen, Briesel, Jones, Demeco, and Schaub coming off a major injury. We lose Cush, we lose Butler, and the rest of our LBs were shredded via injury.

Return game suffered. Running game suffered. Red zone suffered. Middle of the D suffered. The O, the D, and ST SUFFERED.

This was an uphill battle from the get go. We still won 13 games. Was it really that much of a devastating season all things considering?
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I made a thread on this earlier in the season. We lost Winston, Mario, Dreessen, Briesel, Jones, Demeco, and Schaub coming off a major injury. We lose Cush, we lose Butler, and the rest of our LBs were shredded via injury.

Return game suffered. Running game suffered. Red zone suffered. Middle of the D suffered. The O, the D, and ST SUFFERED.

This was an uphill battle from the get go. We still won 13 games. Was it really that much of a devastating season all things considering?
Well, when you consider they had two opportunities to win a game for HFA - vikings or colts.....that is pretty devastating.

Just imagine if you had this game at home............


Big picture, it's a good year.....

Focus in on loss of HFA, loss of momentum to close out the year.....it is pretty bad......
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I made a thread on this earlier in the season. We lost Winston, Mario, Dreessen, Briesel, Jones, Demeco, and Schaub coming off a major injury. We lose Cush, we lose Butler, and the rest of our LBs were shredded via injury.

Return game suffered. Running game suffered. Red zone suffered. Middle of the D suffered. The O, the D, and ST SUFFERED.

This was an uphill battle from the get go. We still won 13 games. Was it really that much of a devastating season all things considering?
how is it rebuilding when you replace good players with lesser players?
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we hopefully 2013 is not rebuilding but just re loading !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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how is it rebuilding when you replace good players with lesser players?
Yep.

Not sure what it is but we let go of so many good players last year.

Pro-bowl and all-pro players. Yeah I know teams have to let players go all the time but we just let of a bunch of them and replaced them mostly with rookies.

I'm not a cap guy...but it seems we manage it badly.
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i dont know guys i always thought Winston jus sucked and Demco well he started to suck has well was only taking 25% of snaps at the end

i deff thought Sharpton was a upgrade over Demco till he got hurt and now Dobbins

who do yall think is better right now DObbins or Demco ...????? real talk
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i dont know guys i always thought Winston jus sucked and Demco well he started to suck has well was only taking 25% of snaps at the end

i deff thought Sharpton was a upgrade over Demco till he got hurt and now Dobbins

who do yall think is better right now DObbins or Demco ...????? real talk
Sharpton and Dobbins at their best never played as well as DeMeco at his worst.
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Default Re: 2012 a rebuilding year?

Dobbins is a big hitter and pretty good against the run IMO but he stinks it up when he is in coverage. Sharpton when is in has never impressed me and he is always on IR so that should be the end of him.

Only LBs we have who i have liked since cushing went out is Rudd. He did give up that TD yesterday but he was running stride for stride with the TE and had pretty good coverage, but it is Tom Brady and he tends to make perfect throws.

IMO i would like to see Cushing and Rudd in the middle with Reed and Whitney on the outside. I like Barwin but he disappeared this season and got virtually zero pressure when we needed it most.
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Huh? That was the whole point and one of the keys for me in 2012. I knew this year would say alot about Kubes and company. Were we simply going to reload this year, or are we in the process of rebuilding? This team took a step back in overall play. But we still won 13 games and we lost Cushing early on.

This offseason will tell us next year if 2011 was simply our best team, and this is a sinking ship... Or if it was always going to take more than 1 year to replace all of these players properly.

And by properly, I do not mean Ruud for Demeco.
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We had a great year. Hell it's 12-4!! But the team showed some deficiencies, especially since Cushing was shutted down.
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What worries me about next year is the defense. I think many felt Antonio Smith will be a cap casualty with a Cushing extension on the horizon. The signs seem to really point that way when they gave Tim Jamison an extension.

But after this season...I have no idea how good an idea that is. Outside of Watt, only Smith seemed capable of applying pressure on the pocket. Our edge rushers completely disappeared. It was Watt's show and Smith was his sidekick. Nobody else did much of anything in regards of pass rush. So if we let him go and roll with Jamison/Crick....where is Watt's help rushing? Can't send Cush all the time because he's the only linebacker capable of covering.

I hope Mercilus is ready because we need some sort of pressure from the edge especially if they let Smith go.
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I made a thread on this earlier in the season. We lost Winston, Mario, Dreessen, Briesel, Jones, Demeco, and Schaub coming off a major injury. We lose Cush, we lose Butler, and the rest of our LBs were shredded via injury.

Return game suffered. Running game suffered. Red zone suffered. Middle of the D suffered. The O, the D, and ST SUFFERED.

This was an uphill battle from the get go. We still won 13 games. Was it really that much of a devastating season all things considering?
No, not devastating. Some people will say that but it's more about how the team responds from this season. This is the 2nd year they've been in the playoffs. Lets see if they take steps backwards or step forward.

Championship teams are hard to acquire and sometimes take a good deal of heart-ache and such.
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No, not devastating. Some people will say that but it's more about how the team responds from this season. This is the 2nd year they've been in the playoffs. Lets see if they take steps backwards or step forward.

Championship teams are hard to acquire and sometimes take a good deal of heart-ache and such.
It takes an elite QB. Get one of those and you contend every year.
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It takes an elite QB. Get one of those and you contend every year.
But there are 5 of these guys at any given time.

They are all taken.

I think we should have stacked up on defense. Relied on a game managing QB that is clutch...but tried our best to keep guys like Mario and Demeco. We'd have a Dline like those G-Men team at the very least and that has proven to win rings.
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what type of team does Rick and Mcnair want

a consistent team like our counterparts in the North Ravens and Pittsburg who make the playoffs year after year and get bounced in the Div or AFCC game ever year and if they dont anything less the 9-7 is tabboo


or a team like ATL and SF who take gambles
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what type of team does Rick and Mcnair want

a consistent team like our counterparts in the North Ravens and Pittsburg who make the playoffs year after year and get bounced in the Div or AFCC game ever year and if they dont anything less the 9-7 is tabboo


or a team like ATL and SF who take gambles
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It takes an elite QB. Get one of those and you contend every year.
Do the Steelers have an elite QB? The Giants? The Ravens?
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yeah, those are top QB's. Quibbling on the 'elite' tag notwithstanding. I don't see any of those guys schaubing the ball up the field slowly when behind.
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yeah, those are top QB's. Quibbling on the 'elite' tag notwithstanding. I don't see any of those guys schaubing the ball up the field slowly when behind.
And yet, the Giants and Steelers were NOT contenders. Therefore, saying that having an "elite" QB means you will contend year after year is wrong. (Although, I don't consider either of those guys elite.)

And I don't consider Flacco even close to elite, and yet he's making it to the playoffs and to the AFCS year after year.
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Do the Steelers have an elite QB? The Giants? The Ravens?

It's all relative. Compared to the Texans yes, those teams all have elite QB's. I see rings, I see AFC Championship games. I see big throws under pressure in big games.

None of that can be seen here. I'd trade three Schaub's if I had them for one Ben, Eli, or Flacco.

And honestly, if you have to spring for a perfect team to put around a guy to win a Super Bowl then what in the hell do you need him for? Think about it. Schaub's biggest weakness in my opinion is that he cannot create anything. Nothing. He can't make a play out of a busted play to save his life much less win a game. The handful of times he ever did that were years ago and now he's slower and more mechanical than ever before. Your QB has to give you more than that. I saw someone earlier listing what he was best at and it read like a list of things damn near any obedient QB in the league could do. There was nothing special about that list. Just a bunch of "follows orders" and "reads defenses when protected".

This system makes him look good. That's it.
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