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Old 01-11-2013   #1
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Watt high first round pick
Smith high paying FA
Barwin and Reed 2nd rd pick, with Barwin being a vet
Merci another 1st rounder.
Cody a high paying vet, for the position and the number of snaps he plays.
Mitchell is a second rounder (?)
Cushing a first rounder (so what if he's injured, it's not like the O is healthy.)
James and Dobbins both veterans that have been under Wade's system for many years; Sharpton a third round pick, Ruud a vet and also a day two pick I think.
Jackson a first round pick.
So was JJo, besides being a high paying vet.
Manning is another high paying vet.

What does Schaub have on the offensive side?
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Huh? 3 probowl linemen, Arian Foster, and Andre Johnson.

What else does he need?

Realistically, it's on both. The offense should be judged on scoring more than 21 points (NE's average) and the defense limiting them to less than 35.

In game 1, they were equally bad.
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I'd say because last time we played them the D got back to back to back 3 and out and the Offense got zero points out of those possesions. D can stop them all day but if the Offense don't put points on the board we lose.
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It's on the entire team. I've been harping on Schaub as much as anyone since the offense went fetal but Sunday it's on all of them. They either show up and make a game of it (which they may or may not win) or they roll over and spread em' again.

If that happens it happens.
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What does shake things up mean in some eyes?
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It is on the staff.
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I'd say because last time we played them the D got back to back to back 3 and out and the Offense got zero points out of those possesions. D can stop them all day but if the Offense don't put points on the board we lose.
The D was supposed to continue their domination this year.
Put them on the murderous list.

Can you remember how this D was supposed to claim the number one spot on the NFL this year?

Wasn't that what you counted on for the Texans to make it to the SB before the season started?
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Everyone who posts in this thread, I'd like for you to consider the position you took before the season.

What did you expect to get for the Texans to go to the SB?

Did you count on Holliday?
Did you count on ST play sucktitude?
Did you count on a dominant defense?

Did you get any of that?
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The D was supposed to continue their domination this year.
Put them on the murderous list.

Can you remember how this D was supposed to claim the number one spot on the NFL this year?

Wasn't that what you counted on for the Texans to make it to the SB before the season started?
Well i expected the offense and defense to be as equally dominant. Remember when our offense carried the team ? I expect all 3 phases of the game to play equally as well. Is that to much to ask ? We do after all have plenty of talent on the offensive side of the ball.
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I'd say because last time we played them the D got back to back to back 3 and out and the Offense got zero points out of those possesions. D can stop them all day but if the Offense don't put points on the board we lose.
& Let's not forget, The Patriots D is among the worst in the league. Our offense should have had a better showing than what we did.

The offense also did not show up against the Vikings or the Colts.... that's what lost us home field through out.

Sure, the defense could have played a little better in all three games but lets be honest.

of the 12 wins, the defense dominated & paved the way for the offense in 10 of them.

I want more talent on the offense, or I want more "winners" on offense. I think the last two seasons are going to go a long way towards improving what I've been calling "pedigree" so we'll see.

But talent wise, really we're stacked on offense. 3 pro bowl offensive lineman, sure Wade Smith is questionable, & he's been struggling with injuries.... but it is what it is. Andre Johnson, arguably the best at his position & he's about as seasoned as they come. The Arian, again arguably the best at his position.

Both Andre & Arian have had great games recently. The only person we haven't seen step up... actually he looks like he's regressed, is our Pro Bowl QB.

I honestly don't think we'd have seen any difference in the last 4 games had we played Tj Yates.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead & start with the Tj Yates hate, but how you going to tell me two INTs vs Indianapolis, that pick six vs Cincy, the no show vs Minnesota.... how you going to tell me Tj would have been worse?

What has Matt done that Tj wouldn't have?

Now, I'm good with Matt taking the snaps, I've seen him play at a much higher level. Haven't seen as much from Tj..... all I'm saying, is that it's past time for this guy to step it up. I think it's in him,

"But we're running out of time Chavez"


It's time for the leader to step up.
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& Let's not forget, The Patriots D is among the worst in the league. Our offense should have had a better showing than what we did.

The offense also did not show up against the Vikings or the Colts.... that's what lost us home field through out.

Sure, the defense could have played a little better in all three games but lets be honest.

of the 12 wins, the defense dominated & paved the way for the offense in 10 of them.

I want more talent on the offense, or I want more "winners" on offense. I think the last two seasons are going to go a long way towards improving what I've been calling "pedigree" so we'll see.

But talent wise, really we're stacked on offense. 3 pro bowl offensive lineman, sure Wade Smith is questionable, & he's been struggling with injuries.... but it is what it is. Andre Johnson, arguably the best at his position & he's about as seasoned as they come. The Arian, again arguably the best at his position.

Both Andre & Arian have had great games recently. The only person we haven't seen step up... actually he looks like he's regressed, is our Pro Bowl QB.

I honestly don't think we'd have seen any difference in the last 4 games had we played Tj Yates.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead & start with the Tj Yates hate, but how you going to tell me two INTs vs Indianapolis, that pick six vs Cincy, the no show vs Minnesota.... how you going to tell me Tj would have been worse?

What has Matt done that Tj wouldn't have?













Now, I'm good with Matt taking the snaps, I've seen him play at a much higher level. Haven't seen as much from Tj..... all I'm saying, is that it's past time for this guy to step it up. I think it's in him,

"But we're running out of time Chavez"


It's time for the leader to step up.
thunderkyss I agree. Glad you see Pats D is one of the worse. I feel Houston has the weapons to score major points on them. Gary cannot be scared of success.
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& Let's not forget, The Patriots D is among the worst in the league. Our offense should have had a better showing than what we did.

The offense also did not show up against the Vikings or the Colts.... that's what lost us home field through out.

Sure, the defense could have played a little better in all three games but lets be honest.

of the 12 wins, the defense dominated & paved the way for the offense in 10 of them.

I want more talent on the offense, or I want more "winners" on offense. I think the last two seasons are going to go a long way towards improving what I've been calling "pedigree" so we'll see.

But talent wise, really we're stacked on offense. 3 pro bowl offensive lineman, sure Wade Smith is questionable, & he's been struggling with injuries.... but it is what it is. Andre Johnson, arguably the best at his position & he's about as seasoned as they come. The Arian, again arguably the best at his position.

Both Andre & Arian have had great games recently. The only person we haven't seen step up... actually he looks like he's regressed, is our Pro Bowl QB.

I honestly don't think we'd have seen any difference in the last 4 games had we played Tj Yates.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead & start with the Tj Yates hate, but how you going to tell me two INTs vs Indianapolis, that pick six vs Cincy, the no show vs Minnesota.... how you going to tell me Tj would have been worse?

What has Matt done that Tj wouldn't have?

Now, I'm good with Matt taking the snaps, I've seen him play at a much higher level. Haven't seen as much from Tj..... all I'm saying, is that it's past time for this guy to step it up. I think it's in him,

"But we're running out of time Chavez"


It's time for the leader to step up.
Yep and dont forget all the turnovers our D was forcing at the start of the season and providing the offense with a short field. As the turnover went away so did our ability to put up a lot of points.
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Seriously?

One of the best LT in the game as well as one of the top centers.

One of the top three receivers in the game.

One of the top three RB in the game, arguably the best. As well as two very good back-ups.

Great TE core led by one of the best in the game.

FB/TE hybrid with some of the best hands I have seen in the NFL.

Walters would be Welker if he were in NE ... same type of player.

Speedster in K-Mart who I think is underutilized, as well as decent receivers in Posey and Jean who, if they had a better QB throwing to them, may already be shining in the league. That why I hope we dont draft another WR with a high pick until we get rid of Schaub. He isnt doing anything to help develop the youngsters.

Matt has everything he needs ... he is the problem.
Lol; you try to sell some of these players to the Pats fans and they wouldn't any.

They will laugh at you with the thought of OD over Gronk, and Graham over Hernandez, Walter over Welker.
The Pats offensive line is better than the Texans this year.
The 3 guys they have at RB at also very potent.

At the end of the day though, just count the numbers on either side of the ball.
Of course, we have good players on the O, too; but we are supposed to have more on the D side.
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Lol; you try to sell some of these players to the Pats fans and they wouldn't any.

They will laugh at you with the thought of OD over Gronk, and Graham over Hernandez, Walter over Welker.
The Pats offensive line is better than the Texans this year.
The 3 guys they have at RB at also very potent.

At the end of the day though, just count the numbers on either side of the ball.
Of course, we have good players on the O, too; but we are supposed to have more on the D side.
I don't think laughing at the guy is necessary. You put Tom Brady behind our Oline and almost our whole receiving corps is going to the pro bowl, but not playing because they're in the Super Bowl. Look at the circus catches Walter, Graham, OD, AJ and Casey make. When Brady is your QB, the circus doesn't come to town. On target darts into the hands of our would be elite receiving corps....If you think Noodle is anywhere close to Brady...I think delusional would be a good adjective to describe you.
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I don't think laughing at the guy is necessary. You put Tom Brady behind our Oline and almost our whole receiving corps is going to the pro bowl, but not playing because they're in the Super Bowl. Look at the circus catches Walter, Graham, OD, AJ and Casey make. When Brady is your QB, the circus doesn't come to town. On target darts into the hands of our would be elite receiving corps....If you think Noodle is anywhere close to Brady...I think delusional would be a good adjective to describe you.
You guys keep avoiding the questions.

1. What is the role of the D on this team?
2. What is the role of Schaub on this team?

If you want to point your fingers wherever, it's your choice.

Have fun at it.
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IMO it isn't fair to compare Schaub to Brady, there is a good chance that when Brady is done he will be hands down the GOAT of all time, I could even make a case that he is right now.

Schaub is a very good game manager QB he doesn't seem to be equipped to control the game like a Brady or Manning HOF qb type.

I would LOVE to see TFB throwing to Andre J. BTW.

Winning playoff games and getting to the SB requires IT to be on the Coaches, D, O, and ST's
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IMO it isn't fair to compare Schaub to Brady, there is a good chance that when Brady is done he will be hands down the GOAT of all time, I could even make a case that he is right now.
Sorry, he's not even the GORN

He's good. One of the 4 best of 2012, but no.
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You guys keep avoiding the questions.

1. What is the role of the D on this team?
2. What is the role of Schaub on this team?

If you want to point your fingers wherever, it's your choice.

Have fun at it.
How about the fact that when our offense sucks, they leave our defense out to dry and force them to play forever. When our offense roles we control the TOP. It works hand in hand, but falls on our qb. He needs to score touchdowns and stop being so damn inaccurate. Our defense has had lapses, and they are held accountable, people on this site ***** about them too, the difference is, Schaub has always sucked, he isn't getting better, and still fails to do anything good in the bight lights. He is a choker

Ever notice we win when Foster goes over 100 yards....thats because he carries this team, not Schaub
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Seriously?

One of the best LT in the game as well as one of the top centers.

One of the top three receivers in the game.

One of the top three RB in the game, arguably the best. As well as two very good back-ups.

Great TE core led by one of the best in the game.

FB/TE hybrid with some of the best hands I have seen in the NFL.

Walters would be Welker if he were in NE ... same type of player.
Speedster in K-Mart who I think is underutilized, as well as decent receivers in Posey and Jean who, if they had a better QB throwing to them, may already be shining in the league. That why I hope we dont draft another WR with a high pick until we get rid of Schaub. He isnt doing anything to help develop the youngsters.

Matt has everything he needs ... he is the problem.
c'mon dude!
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