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Old 01-11-2013   #1
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Default Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

A guy is arguing that Matt & Eli are a lot a like.

Being that Eli has won two Super Bowls & that says something about him, but if not for those rings, what would be the argument(s) that Eli is a better QB than Matt Schaub?

I personally believe they are a lot alike. I'd take Eli over Matt anyday, but I'm not going to tell you why just yet. I want to hear what you say.
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Not even close....

Eli>Schaub
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Not even close....

Eli>Schaub
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Default Re: Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

Main difference is Eli is unflappable.

He does inconsistent ****, too, but the key thing for Eli is when it's winning time...GIVE HIM THE GOT DAMN BALL AND HE'LL WIN IT.

With Schaub, he's been spotty at best in that department. He's won some games in the late stages, and has lost some (Eli has too). But, when it comes to the big **** (playoffs, division winning games, national games...) Eli is the man.

Schaub could really put himself a step above where he is now with a few good games in the next 4 weeks.
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Not even close....

Eli>Schaub
But Flacco is elite according to the Flacco Gazette........
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Default Re: Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

Schaub would be very close to Eli if he has his pocket-presence and grit. So basically Schaub is like Eli with his head cut off in the pocket.
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Default Re: Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

They're no where near alike. Eli has a arm can make any throw, very smart, great in the pocket in buying time for those off schedule passes but can force passes down field and into double triple coverage.

Matt has a weak arm, smart, can't make the off schedule passes, rarely goes to his 2nd read down field, but also rarely throws into triple coverage and throw those bone head INT's.

any day of the week and twice on sunday Eli> Matt Schuab
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They're no where near alike. Eli has a arm can make any throw, very smart, great in the pocket in buying time for those off schedule passes but can force passes down field and into double triple coverage.

Matt has a weak arm, smart, can't make the off schedule passes, rarely goes to his 2nd read down field, but also rarely throws into triple coverage and throw those bone head INT's.

any day of the week and twice on sunday Eli> Matt Schuab
Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.
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Default Re: Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

Eli gets hot and is streaky. When he's on, he's on and its hard to stop him. But let's not pretend that Eli was the reason the Giants have won 2 superbowls. Despite winning 2 superbowls against Brady, the Giants are only averaging 19 points a game in those 2 superbowls.

Schaub put up 19 against the Bengals and is lambasted. And neither of those Patriots teams had a defense that was even as good as Cinci's was.

Eli has a career 82 passer rating or something like that. He'll put up games where he throws 4 TDs and no INTs and then go 2 games without a single touchdown and 150 yards. Its easy to pick him over Schaub because he's got a reputation for being 'clutch' and we've all seen his highlights. Numbers dont tell the whole story, but Eli isn't a top 10 QB in my opinion. He's had success because of a stellar defense and the ability to go on hot streaks

This season Matt had 5 games with zero TDs and 3 games with fewer than 200 yards passing. Eli had 4 games with zero TDs and 5 games with fewer than 200 yards passing. Eli faltered down the stretch and cost his team a chance at the playoffs. Matt kept us at least competitive enough down the stretch to earn the #3 seed.

Matt is still playing. Eli is on the couch at home watching his big brother.
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But let's not pretend that Eli was the reason the Giants have won 2 superbowls.
lol! Eli was the Super Bowl MVP of BOTH of those games.

Yeah, he wasn't the reason..

p.s. only FIVE QBs in NFL history have won two SB MVP awards. Three are already in the HoF, one is Brady, and the other is Eli.
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Matt is still playing. Eli is on the couch at home watching his big brother.
So is:
-Drew Brees
-Ben Rothlisberger
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Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.
Doesn't step up and tries to put FARRRRRRRRRR too much touch on the ball when he doesn't need to.
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Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.
The same reason he can't take a quick step into the pocket to avoid a rush..........his push-off back (right) foot can't take it.

To run to the right, you push off your left foot. To take it to the left, you need to push off your right foot. I'll just ask this question......when's the last time you saw Schaub run a play action to the left? You think someone like Belichick hasn't noticed?
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Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.

I could have told you that buddy. but I think you agree with me with the fact that, in the pocket he just flat out can't get the ball down 40 yards..
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Marino was great player but he didn't have that X factor that Montana had in making players around him great. Brady has it, Peyton has it.. Schuab does not. But lets hope he does his part and plays a good game, 65-75%, 2:1, 1:0 ratio, and a lot of TOP. that's who he is. that's our QB next year guys
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I could have told you that buddy. but I think you agree with me with the fact that, in the pocket he just flat out can't get the ball down 40 yards..
That just flat not true. Schaub hit AJ with a ball that went 53 yds in the air earlier this year. His arm strength is not great but this is over stated.
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A guy is arguing that Matt & Eli are a lot a like.

Being that Eli has won two Super Bowls & that says something about him, but if not for those rings, what would be the argument(s) that Eli is a better QB than Matt Schaub?

I personally believe they are a lot alike. I'd take Eli over Matt anyday, but I'm not going to tell you why just yet. I want to hear what you say.
I don't think you can say yet, schaub has 1 playoff game under his belt and it was a mediocre game. After this week we will know.
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MVP awards, including Superbowl MVPs, are biased towards offensive players. QBs in particular. In the last 10 years, we've had exactly 1 defensive player win superbowl MVP. In the last 30 years, it's gone to 4 defensive players.
I do not disagree with the offensive tendency, but that does not diminish Eli's accomplishment of winning two SB MVP awards.

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Who is the most valuable player in the NFL today? JJ Watt, hands down. Think he has a shot at MVP of the regular season? Doubtful.
'eh, debatable. I love JJ, and he's certainly DPOY, but I think many players could easily be argued as MVP. Manning (Peyton), Brady, Peterson just off the top of my head. The last time a defensive player won was LT in '86, iirc.

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In 2007 the Patriots were averaging 37 points a game during the regular season. In the superbowl, the Giants gave up 14 points. You really think Eli was the reason they won that game? Sure, maybe he was the most valuable individual in that game, but he certainly wasn't the reason they won. The defense, as a whole, was the reason they were able to beat the Patriots. Thats all I was trying to say. Eli managed the game for them, and did just enough to put up 17 points.

In 2007 he was 19/35 (55%) for 2 TDs and 1 INT
Most Super Bowl champions are well rounded teams. It's a symbiotic relationship between offense, defense, special teams, and coaching.

Please tell me which defensive player was in on this play:

Eli Manning pass to Tyree

Freak play. Some say the catch was "lucky". Perhaps. But that scrambling and avoiding multiple sacks to make that pass was pure will, determination, and skill. (And I do not see Schaub ever making that play happen.)

I'm not asking you to like Eli. Just don't pretend that Eli had nothing to do with those wins. Eli led game winning drives in both Super Bowls.
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Who's the guy arguing about this? Honestly they have way different play styles imo..
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One guy looks like he has Down Syndrome, the other plays like he has Down Syndrome.
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