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Old 01-09-2013   #1
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Atleast it isnt just the fans who are noticing this. You want to win then you have to take some shots, Kubiaks confidence dont leave me feeling to confident about the New England game !!!!

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The first two questions Gary Kubiak fielded at his Monday news conference were about the team’s red zone offense.

In each answer, he mentioned checking the ball down.

First: "We had a lot of second-and-nines down there from that standpoint, but we got to make the small plays whether you check a ball down on a three or four-yard pass. You’ve got to do that so you’re giving yourself a legitimate chance."

A chance at what? A closer field goal?

Second: "We got played the other day in a bunch of quarters defense, people sitting on the goal line makes it tough to get behind people, those types of things. If people are going to play you that way, you got to run the ball efficiently. You’ve got to check the ball down efficiently."


Houston QB Matt Schaub and coach Gary Kubiak will each need to be aggressive in order to defeat New England on Sunday.If you're already in field goal range, what's the benefit of super-efficient checking down, exactly? To prove to a defense you know how to answer the coverage they are calling to keep you out of the end zone by calling plays that keep you out of the end zone?

I'm confused.
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Message to anyone who is just now noticing this: Congratulations on coming out of your coma! After more than 6 years we were worried about you!
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Noticing is one thing. Hearing Kubiak admit to it is another. What he is saying with these play calls is that he doesn't trust Schaub to throw into tight coverage. That's okay against the Bengals. But Kubiak has to give Schaub a chance to succeed (or fail) against the Patriots. Playing not to lose won't work this Sunday.
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Noticing is one thing. Hearing Kubiak admit to it is another. What he is saying with these play calls is that he doesn't trust Schaub to throw into tight coverage. That's okay against the Bengals. But Kubiak has to give Schaub a chance to succeed (or fail) against the Patriots. Playing not to lose won't work this Sunday.
I think what this says, is that there is a reason that fans are fans & newspaper writers are newspaper writers.

If he's saying that we are checking down, that tells you he didn't call a run play (which isn't a bad thing when you've got the best goal line back in the league on your team). He's saying, "I called a pass play to attack the end zone, but Matt was scared. I love my QB & I'm working on his confidence issues, so I'm going to fall on the sword & make it sound like I agreed with his decision to check out of the play I called, or to throw the ball to a guy that has no chance to get into the end zone (or in this case, Arian Foster who has had some success down there). I'm the same Mofo who ran the score up on people when I had Jake Plummer as my QB, people 3itched about it then but this is what it is in this league."
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Great read, great stats and hopefully we can change up our game plan to account for more TDs. 3's wont win this one for us.
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Think about the interception throw that was, I believe, supposed to go to OD. This was the interception very near the EZ where the announcer said Schaub should've checked down to Arian Foster, because he would have gotten a first down, and, given it's Foster, might've even scored. I believe that's the kind of thing Kubiak is talking about here. It's unusual for Schaub to take unwise risks, but that's exactly what he did on that play, and it cost him big.

I think these writers are picking the wrong time to complain about something that might actually be a legitimate complaint. I'm not jumping on THIS bandwagon.
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Noticing is one thing. Hearing Kubiak admit to it is another. What he is saying with these play calls is that he doesn't trust Schaub to throw into tight coverage. That's okay against the Bengals. But Kubiak has to give Schaub a chance to succeed (or fail) against the Patriots. Playing not to lose won't work this Sunday.
Kubiak knows Matt the best. I think he understands Matt can't make the throws he needs to make in the red zone. Matt is too slow on his release, does not have the zip on his pass and maybe his touch is not that great. Everything is compressed and happens quicker in the red zone. Normally you will not have a guy 5 to 10 yards wide open. Many of the passes he completes the receiver is wide open. I don't think it may be just accuracy as much as quick release with accuracy and zip that may be a bigger problem in the red zone. Matt is Matt not trying to bash.
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Kubiak knows Matt the best. I think he understands Matt can't make the throws he needs to make in the red zone. Matt is too slow on his release, does not have the zip on his pass and maybe his touch is not that great. Everything is compressed and happens quicker in the red zone. Normally you will not have a guy 5 to 10 yards wide open. Many of the passes he completes the receiver is wide open. I don't think it may be just accuracy as much as quick release with accuracy and zip that may be a bigger problem in the red zone. Matt is Matt not trying to bash.
I think you're right...that said, why in the world would we give that much on an extension to a QB with those issues?
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I think you're right...that said, why in the world would we give that much on an extension to a QB with those issues?
You're asking questions that cause trouble.
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I think you're right...that said, why in the world would we give that much on an extension to a QB with those issues?
Whole other issue. I think it has been discussed somewhere.
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I think you're right...that said, why in the world would we give that much on an extension to a QB with those issues?
Because Kubiak has absolute & complete confidence in Matt Schaub's ability as a quarterback. Just because he has had a string of bad games. & he hasn't played particularly well all season long doesn't make Matt a "bad" QB.

We've been debating his borderline elite status for at least 3 years here on this board, so he must have been doing something well. These screen shots & commentators coming out showing you that Schaub has had receivers open down field but chose to check it down should be evidence that Kubiak has faith in him, but Schaub is the one lacking confidence.

Kubiak isn't calling for Matt to check it down. The radio in his helmet goes silent a few seconds before the snap. Matt is making those decisions on his own.
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Message to anyone who is just now noticing this: Congratulations on coming out of your coma! After more than 6 years we were worried about you!
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but kubiak is an offensive GURU!!!!!!

lets see how many people deny this.
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Atleast it isnt just the fans who are noticing this. You want to win then you have to take some shots, Kubiaks confidence dont leave me feeling to confident about the New England game !!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...o-the-end-zone
You know what would make all the difference in Red Zone rushing?
A BADASS fullback like Leach.
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A BADASS fullback like Leach.
Foster scored 15 rushing TDs this year, only 1 off from his personal record
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Foster scored 15 rushing TDs this year, only 1 off from his personal record
No doubt. The O-line has done a great job near goal line this year. Even if the running game is not going as planned, we always seem to still punch it in when we get it close. Against NE, the interior O-line had great immediate push in the Foster TD.
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Where's Schaub supposed to go but the middle of the field to Walter? Atkins brought the heavy pressure, forcing Schaub to step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball. I think he was looking to get the ball to either AJ in the end zone or OD at the marker on the same sideline but Atkins blew that play up, which didn't allow enough time for those routes to develop. OD ran his route inside, then planted his foot to go back to the sideline but didn't have enough time to separate from the LB coverage.
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I don't mind the dinking and dunking if we're doing it on first down to get ahead of the chains. It just seems like we aren't having a ton of success on first down running the ball, and thats what is causing most of our problems down there. The aggressiveness I'd like to see is changing up our first down calls.
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Where's Schaub supposed to go but the middle of the field to Walter? Atkins brought the heavy pressure, forcing Schaub to step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball. I think he was looking to get the ball to either AJ in the end zone or OD at the marker on the same sideline but Atkins blew that play up, which didn't allow enough time for those routes to develop. OD ran his route inside, then planted his foot to go back to the sideline but didn't have enough time to separate from the LB coverage.
Three great posts in a row, but I'm afraid it's wasted. These folks minds are made up and no amount of 'facts' are gonna change it.

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Three great posts in a row, but I'm afraid it's wasted. These folks minds are made up and no amount of 'facts' are gonna change it.

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Pretty much..in 1 instance they're getting mad when throws it deep to someone who's not really open & it gets intercepted (walter in the 1st NE game) and say "he should've checked it down to foster he was wide open!!!"

Then in another instance, these same folks are getting mad b/c he's checking down too much and just taking what the defense gives him.."they need to throw it deep, but they won't b/c schaub's arm is pathethic!!!"

Then when faced with visual evidence as to why Schaub is doing what he's doing at times....noone has anything to say about it...par for the course around here.

Here is the key to whether or not schaub goes deep or not...zone vs. man. That's it..period. When teams run zone against us, he can have a field day b/c the WR's are finding holes in the secondary and aren't neccessarily being held by any 1 person and there's plenty of room to make throws. When they run man, he struggles at times & has to check it down alot largly b/c the WR's can't separate. In the NE game and in the GB game those teams ran a ton of man against us. In the NE game in particular i remember Mike Mayock going crazy about the fact Talib was singling up on AJ and was getting away with it. The colts did it as well. Of course Schaub's ability to zip it has some bearing on that, but not much in my opinion b/c you don't want your qb's making tight throws like that too much anyway, regardless of their arm strength...It's the WR's more than anything. teams just feel that player for player, our WR's can't beat their cb's 1 on 1.
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